As does every other phenomena we observe. Even light, which doesn't experience time at all, moves at a set speed linking its position to continous time.
You still don't get it, now we have to take baby steps to deal with your stubbornness and lack of commonsense. Our world is based upon equations, formulas, processes, materials and calculations. They can be broken apart, reconstructed and constructed through a systematic and predictable system of procedure. Just so we're clear, our world means the setting we exist in, our universe and all such processes that make it possible.
Now we have an entirely separate feature, and our will I will discuss below.
Humans are not the only living beings with neurological consciousness and the ability to think and plan, though our intelligence far superceed that of animals. If humans have "free will" by your argument, then do animals have it? What about bacteria, viruses, molecules? Linking free will to unpredictability and yet applying it only to humans is a special pleading --- which unfortunately is a logical fallacy.
Before you make assumptions make sure you ask me so we can avoid me having to answer for strawmen. Conscious life applies to every single thing that has awareness.....now make sure you pay close attention to what I write below.
Conscious life has no equations, no formulas or predictability of outcome. When I say in real time and in the present moment what I mean is that every moment is the only moment in which it can actually occur to be known. Unlike our world, while existing in real time, which can be systematically understood, known and calculated.... consciousness is not a calculation or a system of procedures.
It can't be known because there is no methodology to break it down and examine what will take place, there are no materials or processes that show what will take place in any given scenario. Just like with any recipe that contains ingredients, materials and a methodical process that establishes a known product our world is under that same method of known and predictable outcomes. Consciousness has no recipe or method of mechanical outcomes of what will occur in an infinite amount of possibilities and circumstances that arise from a purely spontaneous affair.
A recipe doesn't have an infinite or unknown amount of possibilities, it is understood which ingredients are needed and by which process those ingredients must be properly combined. It contains everything that can be predicted and known as to what it will produce. Even if there are slight variations the outcome is that which the recipe has "predestined".
Our will is not based upon any possible foreknowledge, they are an unknown feature because they simply don't exist until they are chosen in present time. This doesn't limit God's attributes, only things that can be known can be known. God knows everything that can be known of anything that exists that can be known. That still qualifies as omniscience since God knows all things that can be known, and since you are the one fixated on that silly qualification there is no contradiction.
Now I'm not just talking about a single feature of consciousness or one roadmap of life, we're talking about every creature, animal, human, insect, microbe and every single form of life that exists. Now add an infinite amount of possible outcomes to billions of life forms on all levels. As I pointed out before, you would have to accept that God predestined every time each life form makes a single choice, there's no way you want to make such an absurd leap in logic right? tell me you know that is insane? remember that predestination applies to the exact millisecond every single phenomenon and movement takes place, which means there are no random occurrences or alterations of actions taking place, like slamming your finger in the door when you leave your house which causes a delay in your departure which drastically changes every other event and timing that you decide thereafter.
The question becomes, are you willing to concede any part of your assumptions or should just let you wallow in such a ridiculous assertion?
Scientists have known for quite a while that human choices are facilitated by biological processes controlled by external physical laws. The idea of free will as "the ability to have chosen otherwise" might fall solely on this fact: that we could not have acted differently without breaking the laws of physics. Yet free will is still a common idea.
And sometimes scientists can be as ignorant as the next dummy. Even though there MAY be external factors that sway (not control) our own will it is not a given in an unknown amount of possible choices. Say for example it's cold outside so that may play a role in what you decide to wear, but it doesn't decide which sweater or jacket you pick or the exact moment you put it on. You have biological needs so you may desire sex, food, drink and all the things that help you survive and stay alive but that has not control over your own will other than you coming to the realization that you need something. External factors could be an indication that something needs attention, but it does not dictate when where or what you decide to do. Again, this should all be very easy for your rational mind to understand, and certainly simple in regards to commonsense. We have our own will nomatter what is thrown at us and that will always make your will unique and extemporaneous.
Our world is very much predictable, we can accurately predict future events in terms of mathematical models.
Hopefully I made my point clear above. Our world is our setting, we agree on this point alone. Our will is not a mathematical model, it contains no blueprint.
If you can't predict a persons actions perfecty because interactions between braincells are random, then you also can't predict turbulence or other chaotic phenomena.
This is all true, but again make sure we are using the same choice of words here. When we talk about God's foreknowledge and your assumptions about omniscience we are talking about predestination for every single seemingly random event or choice. That's your absurd claim not mine.
The universe is predictable unless invoking randomness not from complexity but from "magic"
Predestination is most likely true, history is not random, there is only one future.
Now let me clear up my premises, there are two distinct realities at play. You have our world which is based upon materials, processes and a calculated model. It is known what it will produce and the outcomes thereof.
Then we have conscious life (our will) which is completely spontaneous and without materials, processes, models or preexisting knowledge. There are no known results or outcomes other than speculation, intuition, guesses, hunches, conjecture ect ect. Predestination cannot be applied to will.
Now let me be clear again, certainly God can shape and funnel the directions of human affairs, our history and the future (if so desired). But it is manipulated in real time, it is not predestined. God can control those external factors we discussed if indeed needed to influence life in a larger, broader sense...but that has no relevance to our own will being completely unique.
If God can control our SETTING (not our will), then certainly God could know the start and the finish of our world just by having complete ability to manipulate our environment. Again, our will is distinct from what God does or knows about what will happen to our world. And obviously since we exist within the world, we are subject to whatever occurs, but this still does not control our will, only our environment.
In this thread I critique the abrahamic Idea that an omniscient creator exist simultaniously with free will --- that is quite clearly a contradiction.
Not at all. It doesn't matter whether we go with the Abrahamic idea of will or simply the general concept of a God, the idea of our own will will always be compatible because it applies across the board because will cannot be predestined. We are uniquely free to decide whatever we want in a world set up for us to make our own choices.
A non-omniscient God as you described is compatible with free will; because it faces the same problem we humans have, being unable to know perfectly the result of one's possible actions.
Only things that can be known can be known. Our will is not a knowable event so there is no contradiction with my premise and God's attributes. Hopefully this post will begin to satisfy the confusion about will vs God's attributes. Even still, I'm not pressed to label God omniscient, but given that conscious life is unknowable it is irrelevant to God's knowledge.
