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@oromagi
Earth is voting 'yes' to a mission with me on it, what does this mean?
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@RationalMadman
Earth is voting yes to a team with me in it, do you know what that means? What was the mission 1's team?
He’s willingly voting yes to a team with his spies on it lol
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@RationalMadman
He seems to think we are voting who we think the spies are, I think that's why I thought putting me and Earth together was a good plan.
Pretty sure he said us 2 were top candidates for spies but nothing
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@ILikePie5
I'm talking about Supa, not Oromagi
Mission: Party Crashers
Mission Leader: ILikePie5
Mission team: ILikePie5, oromagi, RationalMadman, and whiteflame
Yes votes: Earth and whiteflame (2/3)
No votes: none (0/3)
Not voting: oromagi, RationalMadman, and SupsDudz
Next in line for mission leader is oromagi.
I'll step off my vote for a bit to consider. Shift WF's vote to null for the moment.
Based on both Earth's decision and RM's response to it, I'm much more firmly in the "Earth is a Spy" camp.
I can't fathom why Earth, as part of the Resistance, would support a team with RM on it, who he would be certain is a Spy. Seriously, the only way that anyone should still be considering the possibility that Earth is Resistance is if they're assuming that he either just forgot the results of Mission 1 or just didn't care anymore and was willing to vote yes on anything. I'll note that his team and Pie's both include Oro and me as their shared features, which may suggest that one of us is a Spy, and though it's a strange choice for him to assign both Spies to the same team, I'd say that that is a plausible choice for him at this stage. Given his "Yes" vote on Pie's team, I'd say that that lends credence to my view that Oro is likely the other Spy.
That being said, I'm still absolutely fine with this team since, even if it is Oro, we will get confirmation of it from the results of this Mission. Right now, I'd say that Earth's vote puts Oro as the far more likely other Spy when compared with Supa. The only option that makes me second-guess myself is that Pie might still be playing us. We'd get "confirmation" that Oro is the Spy from having him on this team and include Pie on the next Mission, giving him the opportunity to sabotage and win it for the Spies. It would make sense that Pie decided not to sabotage Mission 2 to give himself cover. So, personally, I'd rather replace Oro or Pie with Supa and see what happens, since I believe that would be more telling.
Still, I'm not super opposed to this team choice, just considering whether it's the optimal one.
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@ILikePie5
-->@oromagiyes I read it. Pie has some feelings about some things. got it.What sounds illogical to you?
Not illogical so much as there's just not enough data to bring logic to bear. The fact that you are proceeding with confidence based on such paucity makes you seem more sus. For us non-spies, any choice at this point seems like a stab in the dark. My experience is that Earth is no easy read and WF and Supa both seem to be playing their scum game (WF defensive, Supa absent) so you all look like scum to me atm. My preference is a team without you or RM on it, so I'm looking to back a WF+Supa+Earth+me team.
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@RationalMadman
-->@oromagi @SupaDudzEarth is voting 'yes' to a mission with me on it, what does this mean?
Good question. If Earth is Res, then he should be the only Res that can say with confidence that RM is a spy. If he knows for certain that RM is a spy then he should never vote for any team with RM on it.
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@whiteflame
Based on both Earth's decision and RM's response to it, I'm much more firmly in the "Earth is a Spy" camp.
I think I agree here.
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@whiteflame
If you replace out pie for supa, you are the biggest fool of the game.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I officially petition to replace out Supa with Ragnar or another replacement.
Votes to replace out:
RM
Votes to keep Supa:
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@RationalMadman
I officially petition to replace out Supa with Ragnar or another replacement.Votes to replace out:RMVotes to keep Supa:
This is not an issue that can be decided by a player vote, but I will consider the petition on its own merits.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I’m spammed him like 50 times to get on but he still doesn’t
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@RationalMadman
@whiteflame
Vote yes and get on with it. Supa is a moron, but the game is practically solved
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@oromagi
How does it feel to know you were wrong this entire time?
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@oromagi
I asked you a few questions that you never answered.
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@RationalMadman
If you replace out pie for supa, you are the biggest fool of the game.
I still think Pie is more likely to be Resistance based on previous evidence, but we should try to glean everything we can from Earth's vote.
For Mission 2, Earth rejected three different proposals that all included Pie and Oro, swapping out the third member for me, Supa or RM. So, at least for that round, that suggests to me that he didn't want Pie or Oro on the team. It's unclear why he didn't want them on the mission, but the third member didn't seem to matter so much as the fact that one or both of these two were on the mission.
He then suggests Earth, Oro, Supa and me for this round, one where the Spies have an opportunity to sabotage with limited PoE and where the Spies really have to get something going. We know Earth's a Spy, but it's an open question whether he'd assign the other Spy to this mission.
Finally, he votes for a team with Pie, Oro, you and me. He didn't care whether I was on the team when Supa, me and you were being swapped around in Mission 2, so that rules me out. We know you're Resistance, so that rules you out. That just leaves Pie and Oro. I believe it's Oro, but I'm not going to reject the possibility that my previous reads of Pie were wrong. Earth wanted either Pie or Oro off of Mission 2 for some reason, and now he wants one or both of them on the team for Mission 3?
Maybe I'm looking too deep at Earth's behavior this game, but he's our only basically confirmed Spy at this stage. His decisions should give us some direction. If you don't like replacing Pie with Supa, I'm fine with replacing Oro, but either way, I'm looking to figure out which of the two of them Earth has been focused on when making his decisions.
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@RationalMadman
@Vader
@ILikePie5
I’m spammed him like 50 times to get on but he still doesn’t
Currently looking like earth and supa are the least active. While I never specified any minimum activity requirements for the game it is an unwritten rule in DART mafia that inactivity results in replacement at the mods discretion and I believe that ought to be applicable to this game as well. I will look into it in more detail in a few hours, there is a decent chance that one or the other will be replaced if they do not make substantive posts soon and I decide their posts have not been sufficiently substantive to date. If I do decide to replace one of them it will be purely based on which I believe has demonstrated the least interest and participation in the game and not on any other factor such as my judgement of the quality of their play, their affiliation, etc.
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@whiteflame
Oh yeah? I gleaned what you did alright, and it was you I suspected due to it more than Pie.
However, it is so painfully obvious that either Oro or Supa has made a pact with Earth to not tryhard the game which did benefit us as Earth voted no to the second team (hammered no, in fact) despite both being on the team.
The only reason I'm stalling my vote here is, as you said, to be openminded to other team formations for the sake of true objectivity and also to push Oro and Supa to finally snap out of their insanity (whichever is the Resistance member).
In the meantime please continue play as usual. I will make my determination in a few hours.
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@RationalMadman
Much as I had my suspicions of Supa, I think Earth's vote should at least somewhat allay them. I find it hard to believe that, at this stage in the game, Earth would actively vote for a team that excluded his Spy partner.
So if it comes down to whether it's Oro or me, I guess I'll leave it at your discretion to determine how best to sus that out. Personally, I think Earth's choices narrow it down to Oro or Pie, and I suspect that regardless of the choice we make, we're going to find ourselves with a split between two possible candidates if most of us aren't on the same page about who the likeliest two candidates are. Even if we shifted out Oro for Supa, which I'd still support, that gives a theoretical Pie Spy the opportunity to sabotage and blame it on me. I'll be left off the next team, he'll be on, game over. As such, my hope is that I'm right about Oro being the Spy, since his being off the team will guarantee the success of Mission 3.
I appreciate your being open-minded at this stage, especially considering how important this particular mission is. Of course, without active discussion, this is mainly just about how a few of us think anyway. It might not matter if we're on the same page if both Earth and Supa are just not participating, so we might have to wait for replacements before we get anywhere.
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@whiteflame
Why hasn't Oromagi voted no to this team btw?
Is he starting to realise something about Supa?
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@whiteflame
Or is he just Spy, realising his story has to be straight before voting yes?
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@RationalMadman
Couldn't say what his reasoning is, though given that his most recent posts were admitting that Earth had outed himself as a Spy, I would hope that he's changing a lot of his preconceptions if he is Resistance.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I'm bored and I will never res-read Pie this game no matter what so can we just vote yes and see or what?
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@whiteflame
I meant to @ you with the post above, clicked wrong reply.
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@RationalMadman
I think you meant to say that you will always res-read Pie this game no matter what, but fine, I guess I'll just go along with it regardless of where this goes.
I vote yes
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@whiteflame
yes I meant never spy-read
I vote yes
Mission: Party Crashers
Mission Leader: ILikePie5
Mission team: ILikePie5, oromagi, RationalMadman, and whiteflame
Yes votes: Earth, RationalMadman, and whiteflame (3/3)
No votes: none (0/3)
Not voting: oromagi and SupaDudz
The mission is a go! ILikePie5, oromagi, RationalMadman, and whiteflame will both be given an opportunity to sabotage the mission if they are spies and required to send me a PM message no matter what their affiliation (don't need any of you nerds using whether someone was online during a certain period of time as analysis).