I see that've not read about Confucianism it came long before christianity and Islam and gave both women and men their rights and responsibilities , a very long time before both islam and christianity like about 551–479 BC
what do you say about khadijah the first wife of muhammad she was a woman a businesswoman , she owned a caravan long before marrying muhammad or muhammad having his midlife crisis ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, cough I mean started his own religion
isn't this proof enough that women back then had rights at least far more then the claims of muhammad back then
I see that've not read about Confucianism it came long before christianity and Islam and gave both women and men their rights and responsibilities , a very long time before both islam and christianity like about 551–479 BC- Sure! Namely, it gave the woman the responsibility to be the Yin (evil) sub-human in the possession of her husband. Is you dense or smth'?
how did khadijah came to own that business if women back then didn't have those rights ?
I see that I've read nothing about Confucianism
how did khadijah came to own that business if women back then didn't have those rights ?– Refer to: a woman could only own property if with the permission of her father or husband. They could not inherit, unless no other males exist. How come you don't know basic things about Arab History & claim to know Arabic. LOL!
you claim so but have yet to provide any evidence supporting your claimwhich is women back then were oppressed
Women were very oppressed back then, however he is extremely wrong if he thinks Islam liberated them.
you claim so but have yet to provide any evidence supporting your claimwhich is women back then were oppressed- I'm not your nanny, find out for yourself. Open a book, ask Google... This seems to be your last resort when you got nothing else to say! If you don't know basic things about the subject, why do you have opinions about it?
Women were very oppressed back then, however he is extremely wrong if he thinks Islam liberated them.- Go on, elaborate. Claims are easy to make.
1. a woman is given half the inherence of that of a man
2. can women marry four men too ?
3. can women divorce her husband in islam? the answer is yes but is it as easy as when her husband want to divorce her the answer is no
4.Allah's Messenger said, "If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning."
6.The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "A woman should not fast (optional fasts) except with her husband's permission if he is at home (staying with her).
this is what I hate about Muslims they have claims without any evidence , when ask them to provide evidence they tell you to search for it
for all I know you could be making this up and spinning tall tales
funny that this is coming from you , when you've yet to provide any evidence supporting your claims
He cannot support anything he says if he means to suggest that women have equal rights in Islam, that is the truth of it.
However, I am genuinely afraid to mess with this religion so I'll shut up for now. I am serious, it is not a joke how violent they will get if they know who speaks against them.
What I will do is just post this, regarding women and Islam.
this is what I hate about Muslims they have claims without any evidence , when ask them to provide evidence they tell you to search for it- I'm not telling secrets. This stuff is known! Maybe you'll see your sources in a formal debate.for all I know you could be making this up and spinning tall tales- I see how you could think that, because that's all you do.funny that this is coming from you , when you've yet to provide any evidence supporting your claims- Am I hearing an echo...
you know that khadijah was a businesswoman and owned a caravan before muhammad married her ?
isn't this prove that women weren't oppressed back before islam ,
it's one supported by muslims themselves unless khadijah was oppressed back then too and didn't own a caravan and wasn't a rich businesswoman , an example of very successful woman in the times of which you claim that women were oppressed by men your claims -of women being oppressed back then is destroyed by her existence.
you claim that women were oppressed and weren't given any rights until muhammad came and gave them their rights , provide evidence supporting your claim of women being oppressed
you know that khadijah was a businesswoman and owned a caravan before muhammad married her ?- Not a caravan, a share. Hind Bint Utbah was a wealthy woman under her father too, when he died, she become destitute, & would steal from her husband Abu Sufyan to feed herself. Khadijah's father was a wealthy man, & she is twice widowed, both her previous husbands were affluent as well. Wealth accumulated in her possession, because her father & her husbands chose to grant it to her. Case in point, Khadijah is the only such woman known in Quraysh.
isn't this prove that women weren't oppressed back before islam ,- Even if Khadijah was the queen of Arabia, it won't change the fact that women had virtually no rights then. One woman does not represent all women.
it's one supported by muslims themselves unless khadijah was oppressed back then too and didn't own a caravan and wasn't a rich businesswoman , an example of very successful woman in the times of which you claim that women were oppressed by men your claims -of women being oppressed back then is destroyed by her existence.- Dude, what are you blabbering about?! More so, why are you acting so shocked? All of this & more was happening in the West not even a century ago, let alone Arabia 15 centuries ago. Women gained divorce rights in Italy late 80s, & only gained full property rights in France in 1939! Shortly before that they couldn't vote. Up until a century ago, women were barred from attending higher education. Heck, women were sold by their own husbands in Britain up until the 1880s when it was banned. Back then, they didn't have even have property rights or inheritance rights. Does that mean there were no wealthy British women? There were, albeit rare.
you claim that women were oppressed and weren't given any rights until muhammad came and gave them their rights , provide evidence supporting your claim of women being oppressed- What rights were they given...? Property rights? No. Inheritance rights? No. Consensual marriage rights? No. Divorce rights? No. Education rights? No. Protection rights? No... these weren't given to 19th century Europeans, let alone 7th century Arabia. In face, none of these rights were granted to pre-Islamic Women. Period.
A vile woman is an assumption.
You might be vile.
And people are usually vile for a reason.
As a generalization,Focussing on individuals, doesn't address the collective ideology.
And not all women are angels,
As are not all men,
But all women and all men are individuals,
And not property to be silenced and separated.
Silence and separation,Is the work of a vile person.
let me guess , khadijah is the muslim woman and Hind Bint Utbah is the kaffar woman right ?
and you're accusing me of sexism
empty claims with not even a shred of evidence
very shocked by the stupidity of your claimsand yet in ancient china they were given rights
, why are you comparing , what are you getting into by comparing what islam did with what happened in Europe , they were bad yes , does that make your case better no
1. islam is a religion , euorpe is a country -a group of countries- , IDK but I think that christianity was not ok with such acts
according to whom ? you , muhammad ?
How many women "suffer domestic abuse" under Islam?
Well, I suppose that if the domestic abuse of women isn't deemed to occur, then the answer will be zero.
Let me ask you a simple hypothetical question.If your brother was to rape your wife, who would you embrace first?Your brother or your wife.
I work regularly with people who label as Muslim, and all are friendly,Though how they might be more deeply affected by enforced religious conditioning is hard to tell.
