Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
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Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
anyone aware of the stars cycle of life would be aware of why this description is wrong
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@Yassine
the truth can effect the outcome of a parameter but it can't be a parameter itself ,
it can easily be clarified with an example :
you want to buy a car with speed as a parameter and the vender tells you it can reach 320 km/h but after testing it you descover that it can only reach 315 km/h
the vender lied that effected the outcome of the parameter speed had you known that it can only reach 315 you'd buy another car maybe the one that reachs 319 km/h
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with a religious example
a person hears about islam and watches a video explaining that islam mentioned how the embryo develops and it's stages and how people 1500 years ago shouldn't have known that , they decide to join islam
while being totally not aware that it's totally wrong the embryo doesn't start as a clot of blood then a leech then it becomes bones before the bones are covered with flesh .
the person judgement of joining islam is the outcome of a lie , the truth/or lack of the truth effected that person into joining islam
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@Lunar108
- Truth can be attained through empirical or demonstrative ways, through the various reasoning modes, deductive or inductive. For instance, structural statements (such as mathematics or philosophical conclusions) require deductive demonstration; scientific hypotheses require abductive validation; historical events require probabilistic evaluation (of testimonies for example); moral claims require defeasible reasoning or analogical analysis...etc.
I am not asking you about the truth , I am asking you how do we judge religion ? what parameters should we use ?what does the truth have to do with judging religion ?
- What's the difference?! If Religion makes claims about Nature, then they must be empirically verified. If Religion makes claims about historical events, then they must be evaluated as such. If Religion makes claims about philosophical truths, thus must be demonstrated. If Religion makes moral claims, then their value & consistency must be checked...etc.
and let me ask you what is theprobabilistic evaluationof a man living in the iron age , in the middle of a desert 1500 years ago , getting to outer space and beyond (outside our universe) and then getting back ?
- Same as it is today.
and what is theprobabilistic evaluationof the moon getting cut into two halves because a man living 1500 years ago prayed to his godand NOT a single testimony about that existing in any country or group of people who lived back then other than his followers ?
- Pretty low, your point?
do women give birth in 6 months ?"The quran provides that the length of a normal gestation (pregnancy) is six months
- No. You're going in circles.
(Luqman 31:14; al-Baqarah 2:233; al-Ahqaf 46:15). Luqman 31:14 and al-Baqarah 2:233 provide a nursing period of 24 months. Al-Ahqaf 46:15 provides a total of 30 months for both gestation and nursing combined. This leaves only six months for the period of gestation .correct me if I am wrong but they need 10 sets of four weeks to give birth
- Unless gestation period changed the past 14 centuries, it was still 9 months back then too. Unless you're suggesting Arabs then gave birth to newborn corpses, which I doubt, because their descendants are alive today. Or maybe, only the Prophet (pbuh) gave birth to 6 months old fetuses... You are either dumb as a rock or just insane!
a person hears about islam and watches a video explaining that islam mentioned how the embryo develops and it's stages and how people 1500 years ago shouldn't have known that , they decide to join islamwhile being totally not aware that it's totally wrong the embryo doesn't start as a clot of blood then a leech then it becomes bones before the bones are covered with flesh .the person judgement of joining islam is the outcome of a lie , the truth/or lack of the truth effected that person into joining islam
- Imagine a person hearing that Islam mentioned that the embryo starts as a clot of blood then a leech then it becomes bones before the bones are covered with flesh, then decides to leave Islam, while being totally not aware that it's totally wrong, Islam did not mention that.
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@Yassine
a person hears about islam and watches a video explaining that islam mentioned how the embryo develops and it's stages and how people 1500 years ago shouldn't have known that , they decide to join islamwhile being totally not aware that it's totally wrong the embryo doesn't start as a clot of blood then a leech then it becomes bones before the bones are covered with flesh .the person judgement of joining islam is the outcome of a lie , the truth/or lack of the truth effected that person into joining islam- Imagine a person hearing that Islam mentioned that the embryo starts as a clot of blood then a leech then it becomes bones before the bones are covered with flesh, then decides to leave Islam, while being totally not aware that it's totally wrong, Islam did not mention that.
The Quran is written in Classical/Quranic arabic. As such, not all terms are easily translatable from Modern Standard Arabic.For clarification purposes:
- Nutfah (نُطْفَةً) - drop of semen
- Alaqah (عَلَقَةً) - leech and certain creatures that cling and suck blood, or blood, thick blood or clotted blood
- Mudghah (مُضْغَةً) - bite-sized morsel of flesh
- 'Itham (عِظَٰمًا) - bones, especially of the limbs
- Kasawa(كَسَوَ) - clothed
- Lahm (لَحْمًا) - flesh
From what thing [shayinشَىْءٍ] doth He create him? From a drop of seed [nutfatin نُّطْفَةٍ]. He createth him and proportioneth him
Quran 80:18-19
Did We not create you from a base fluid [ma-in maheenin مَّآءٍ مَّهِينٍ]? Which We laid up [jaAAalnahu جَعَلْنَٰهُ] in a safe abode [qararin makeenin قَرَارٍ مَّكِينٍ], For a period (of gestation), determined (according to need)?
Quran 77:20-22
Then placed him [jaAAalnahu جَعَلْنَٰهُ] as a drop (of seed) [nutfatan نُطْفَةً] in a safe lodging [qararin makeenin قَرَارٍ مَّكِينٍ];
Quran 23:13
Verily We created man from a product of wet earth [sulalatin min teenin سُلَٰلَةٍ مِّن طِينٍ]; Then placed him as a drop (of seed) [nutfatan نُطْفَةً] in a safe lodging [qararin makeenin قَرَارٍ مَّكِينٍ]; Then fashioned We the drop a clot ['alaqatan عَلَقَةً], then fashioned We the clot a little lump [mudghatan مُضْغَةً], then fashioned We the little lump bones ['ithaman عِظَٰمًا], then clothed [kasawna كَسَوْنَا] the bones with flesh [lahman لَحْمًا], and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!
Quran 23:12-14
O mankind! if ye are in doubt concerning the Resurrection, then lo! We have created you from dust [turabin تُرَابٍ], then from a drop of seed [nutfatin نُّطْفَةٍ], then from a clot [alaqatin عَلَقَةٍ], then from a little lump of flesh [mudghatin مُّضْغَةٍ] shapely and shapeless [mukhallaqatin waghayri mukhallaqatin مُّخَلَّقَةٍ وَغَيْرِ مُخَلَّقَةٍ], that We may make (it) clear for you. And We cause what We will to remain in the wombs for an appointed time, and afterward We bring you forth as infants, then (give you growth) that ye attain your full strength. And among you there is he who dieth (young), and among you there is he who is brought back to the most abject time of life, so that, after knowledge, he knoweth naught. And thou (Muhammad) seest the earth barren, but when We send down water thereon, it doth thrill and swell and put forth every lovely kind (of growth).
Quran 22:5
He it is Who created you from dust [turabin تُرَابٍ], then from a drop (of seed) [nutfatin نُّطْفَةٍ] then from a clot [alaqatin عَلَقَةٍ], then bringeth you forth as a child, then (ordaineth) that ye attain full strength and afterward that ye become old men - though some among you die before - and that ye reach an appointed term, that haply ye may understand.
Quran 40:67
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1.A number of verses collectively demonstrate a belief that the earliest, nutfah stage of development is made of semen, perhaps mixed with a female fluid, which is placed in the womb for a known term, and where it undergoes various stages of development (as also taught by Galen and in the Jewish Talmud). See this article for the most comprehensive explanation and evidence. Furthermore, there is no sign that the author of the Quran was aware of the female egg (ovum).In reality, a single sperm cell penetrates and fuses with the female ovum. This fertilised egg, called a zygote, is then pushed down the fallopian tube for a few days. On the way, cell division begins, and this multi-celled cluster, now called a blastocyst, implants in the uterus (womb).
2.The embryo is then said to be congealed blood. All the classical tafsirs (exegetical commentaries) understood the meaning of 'alaqah to be blood or congealed blood, and clotted blood is a definition of the word in classical Arabic dictionaries. Regardless of alternative meanings for this Arabic word, it does not make sense to interpret a word whose main definitions include an explicit biological meaning (clotted blood) in a description of a biological process (embryology); certainly, from the point of divine authorship of the Qur'an, such imprecise meaning would throw into doubt the Qur'an's claim to be "clear." The choice of word now causes a well justified suspicion of inaccuracy, and for centuries misled people into thinking that the embryo is at one stage congealed blood (an actual embryo is at no point blood or a clot of blood). Similarly, again from the divine authorship and clarity perspective, for the same reason it would not make sense to use this word while intending blood clot as a mere visual analogy.
3.The Quran claims that bones are formed before being clothed with flesh. In fact cartilage models of the bones start to form at the same time as and in parallel with surrounding muscles, and this cartilage is literally replaced with bone.
The author of the Quran described a sequence of stages, which when examined without the false definitions and arbitrary assumptions made by apologists, clearly has no resemblance to the actual development process of a child in the womb, according to critics. Someone with a modern, scientific knowledge of embryology can instead marvel at the exquisite complexity that results from a process of co-ordinated cell differentiation and signaling, encoded in our genetic instruction set by millions of years of evolution, and devoid of any apparent divine design.
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the story of muhammad splitting the moon is very famous and muslims claim that nasa mentioned that along with the disgrace of discovering that nasa never mentioned that is well known
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the story of al isra and al maarij is also very famous and how muhammad went to outer space on the back of al buraq , a donkey with wings is mentioned
do women give birth in 6 months ?"The quran provides that the length of a normal gestation (pregnancy) is six months- No. You're going in circles.(Luqman 31:14; al-Baqarah 2:233; al-Ahqaf 46:15). Luqman 31:14 and al-Baqarah 2:233 provide a nursing period of 24 months. Al-Ahqaf 46:15 provides a total of 30 months for both gestation and nursing combined. This leaves only six months for the period of gestation .correct me if I am wrong but they need 10 sets of four weeks to give birth- Unless gestation period changed the past 14 centuries, it was still 9 months back then too. Unless you're suggesting Arabs then gave birth to newborn corpses, which I doubt, because their descendants are alive today. Or maybe, only the Prophet (pbuh) gave birth to 6 months old fetuses... You are either dumb as a rock or just insane!
very funny since your religion claims that women can give birth in 6 months , you're yet to point towards where max/maximum is mentioned in any of those verses as you claimed in your previous comment and it's 10 sets of four weeks or 40 weeks and not 6 months or 26.0715 weeks
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@Lunar108
a person hears about islam and watches a video explaining that islam mentioned how the embryo develops and it's stages and how people 1500 years ago shouldn't have known that , they decide to join islamwhile being totally not aware that it's totally wrong the embryo doesn't start as a clot of blood then a leech then it becomes bones before the bones are covered with flesh .the person judgement of joining islam is the outcome of a lie , the truth/or lack of the truth effected that person into joining islam- Imagine a person hearing that Islam mentioned that the embryo starts as a clot of blood then a leech then it becomes bones before the bones are covered with flesh, then decides to leave Islam, while being totally not aware that it's totally wrong, Islam did not mention that.
1.A number of verses collectively demonstrate a belief that the earliest, nutfah stage of development is made of semen, perhaps mixed with a female fluid, which is placed in the womb for a known term, and where it undergoes various stages of development (as also taught by Galen and in the Jewish Talmud).
- HAHAHAHA! LOL! Ahem, Yeah, NOPE. This dumb nonsense only works with those who have not read Galen, unfortunately for you I have. Galen says no such things. Galen's theory is basically this: the Soul penetrates the sperm, it gives it life. Life is fire, which gives heat to the fetus, that is the blood clot (heart). The blood vessels branch out indefinitely, the further they are from the core (heart) the colder they get, therefore they cool down & transform into muscles, & bones...etc. I've seen this farce all over the internet, whoever made up these lies has done a huge disservice to Galen & the Quran.
See this article for the most comprehensive explanation and evidence. Furthermore, there is no sign that the author of the Quran was aware of the female egg (ovum).
- False. It is mentioned in the Hadith.
In reality, a single sperm cell penetrates and fuses with the female ovum. This fertilised egg, called a zygote, is then pushed down the fallopian tube for a few days. On the way, cell division begins, and this multi-celled cluster, now called a blastocyst, implants in the uterus (womb).
- Also mentioned in the Hadith, in overview of course. [meeting of the female egg & male sperm, that is]
2.The embryo is then said to be congealed blood. All the classical tafsirs (exegetical commentaries) understood the meaning of 'alaqah to be blood or congealed blood, and clotted blood is a definition of the word in classical Arabic dictionaries. Regardless of alternative meanings for this Arabic word, it does not make sense to interpret a word whose main definitions include an explicit biological meaning (clotted blood) in a description of a biological process (embryology); certainly, from the point of divine authorship of the Qur'an, such imprecise meaning would throw into doubt the Qur'an's claim to be "clear." The choice of word now causes a well justified suspicion of inaccuracy, and for centuries misled people into thinking that the embryo is at one stage congealed blood (an actual embryo is at no point blood or a clot of blood). Similarly, again from the divine authorship and clarity perspective, for the same reason it would not make sense to use this word while intending blood clot as a mere visual analogy.
- This is what we call an Ad Hoc argument. It's a logical fallacy. Regardless, Alaqah literally means leech. Blood-clot is an allegorical meaning for it, because a full leech looks like a blood clot (after absorbing so much of it). Yet, here you are claiming to know Arabic. Isn't that funny!
3.The Quran claims that bones are formed before being clothed with flesh. In fact cartilage models of the bones start to form at the same time as and in parallel with surrounding muscles, and this cartilage is literally replaced with bone.
- This is a dumb argument. First of all, there is no "then" (ثم), there is "thereupon" (ف) [as in, with it though immediately after it]. Second of all, the verse is not talking about the formation of the muscles is it? It's talking about the 'clothing', which assumes there is already flesh there to begin with. Finally, indeed tendons form shorty after bones to attach the flesh to the bone, thus forming a muscle. That is clothing. Hence, the verse. Nuff said!
The author of the Quran described a sequence of stages, which when examined without the false definitions and arbitrary assumptions made by apologists, clearly has no resemblance to the actual development process of a child in the womb, according to critics.
- Question, from all the terminology of the Arabic language, from all the related vocabulary used by the Arabs at the time, from all the various embryo-related theories existing at the time, why opt otherwise & chose those specific words in that specific order with that specific description to somehow conform to reality which won't be observed until 13 centuries later?
Someone with a modern, scientific knowledge of embryology can instead marvel at the exquisite complexity that results from a process of co-ordinated cell differentiation and signaling, encoded in our genetic instruction set by millions of years of evolution, and devoid of any apparent divine design.
- False dillema blahblah... meh
the story of muhammad splitting the moon is very famous and muslims claim that nasa mentioned that along with the disgrace of discovering that nasa never mentioned that is well known
- The story of Moon-splitting is reported sometimes as a splitting & sometimes as an eclipse. Although, this incident is reported by several companions, most scholars of Hadith do not consider it Mutawatir. Therefore, a Muslim has the choice to believe it or not. As for the verse "The Hour has come near, and the moon has split", there is a difference of opinion regarding wether this has occurred or not. Some say it has occurred, bringing the Moon-splitting story as evidence. Some say it has not occurred, relying on the context - i.e it's a future event near the end of time.
- Those who try to reconcile all these reports argue, since the event is reported by many companions, it must have happened. However, the conflicting reports on whether there was a splitting or an eclipse make it hard to harmonize. The most plausible explanation is that it was a Moon occultation, albeit a rare event, for it can be described by an observer as both an eclipse or a splitting, hence the conflicting reports. As to the verse, regardless whether this occultation can count as Moon-splitting occurrence, the end of time will see everything wrecked & shattered, Moon included.
the story of al isra and al maarij is also very famous and how muhammad went to outer space on the back of al buraq , a donkey with wings is mentioned
- No donkeys with wings! LOL! This is a miracle, the belief in which comes after believing in the Prophethood of Muhammed (pbuh). This argument is moot.
very funny since your religion claims that women can give birth in 6 months
- They actually can. In fact, 6 months is the gestational limit of viability in case you didn't know.
, you're yet to point towards where max/maximum is mentioned in any of those verses as you claimed in your previous comment
- If you're asking, then you don't know Arabic.
and it's 10 sets of four weeks or 40 weeks and not 6 months or 26.0715 weeks
- You're trying too hard & failing spectacularly! If you're so confident, why not have a formal debate!
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@Yassine
See this article for the most comprehensive explanation and evidence. Furthermore, there is no sign that the author of the Quran was aware of the female egg (ovum).- False. It is mentioned in the Hadith.In reality, a single sperm cell penetrates and fuses with the female ovum. This fertilised egg, called a zygote, is then pushed down the fallopian tube for a few days. On the way, cell division begins, and this multi-celled cluster, now called a blastocyst, implants in the uterus (womb).- Also mentioned in the Hadith, in overview of course. [meeting of the female egg & male sperm, that is]
would love to see those hadiths along with their source
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@Yassine
very funny since your religion claims that women can give birth in 6 months- They actually can. In fact, 6 months is the gestational limit of viability in case you didn't know.
you're forgetting something very important here that would be called pre-matured birth not normal birth also it requires high end technology and
We have commanded man to be good to his parents: his mother struggled to carry him and struggled to give birth to him- his bearing and weaning took a full thirty months. When he has grown to manhood and reached the age of forty he [may] say, ‘Lord, help me to be truly grateful for Your favours to me and to my parents; help me to do good work that pleases You; make my offspring good. I turn to You; I am one of those who devote themselves to You.’
Mothers suckle their children for two whole years, if they wish to complete the term, and clothing and maintenance must be borne by the father in a fair manner. No one should be burdened with more than they can bear: no mother shall be made to suffer harm on account of her child, nor any father on account of his. The same duty is incumbent on the father’s heir. If, by mutual consent and consultation, the couple wish to wean [the child], they will not be blamed, nor will there be any blame if you wish to engage a wet nurse, provided you pay as agreed in a fair manner. Be mindful of God, knowing that He sees everything you do.
(31:14)
We enjoined upon man to be dutiful to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning lasted two years. (We, therefore, enjoined upon him): “Give thanks to Me and to your parents. To Me is your ultimate return.
do you think that without the technology and medicines would any child survive after 6 months also the child would be unhealthy
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@Lunar108
would love to see those hadiths along with their source
- "The male reproductive substance is white, and the female reproductive substance is yellow. When they meet, if the male semen went up first, then it shall be a male offspring by Allah's decree, if the female semen went up first, then it shall be a female offspring by Allah's decree" – Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). Also in the Quran, "We created man from a drop of mingled fluid".
you're forgetting something very important here that would be called pre-matured birth not normal birth also it requires high end technology
- Your point?
We have commanded man to be good to his parents: his mother struggled to carry him and struggled to give birth to him- his bearing and weaning took a full thirty months. When he has grown to manhood and reached the age of forty he [may] say, ‘Lord, help me to be truly grateful for Your favours to me and to my parents; help me to do good work that pleases You; make my offspring good. I turn to You; I am one of those who devote themselves to You.’Mothers suckle their children for two whole years, if they wish to complete the term, and clothing and maintenance must be borne by the father in a fair manner. No one should be burdened with more than they can bear: no mother shall be made to suffer harm on account of her child, nor any father on account of his. The same duty is incumbent on the father’s heir. If, by mutual consent and consultation, the couple wish to wean [the child], they will not be blamed, nor will there be any blame if you wish to engage a wet nurse, provided you pay as agreed in a fair manner. Be mindful of God, knowing that He sees everything you do.(31:14)We enjoined upon man to be dutiful to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning lasted two years. (We, therefore, enjoined upon him): “Give thanks to Me and to your parents. To Me is your ultimate return.
- Thank you for confirming what I said. That, the duration designated serve as a legal basis for child care, alimony, child support..etc.
do you think that without the technology and medicines would any child survive after 6 months also the child would be unhealthy
- Hence, the LIMIT of viability.
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@Yassine
would love to see those hadiths along with their source- "The male reproductive substance is white, and the female reproductive substance is yellow. When they meet, if the male semen went up first, then it shall be a male offspring by Allah's decree, if the female semen went up first, then it shall be a female offspring by Allah's decree" – Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). Also in the Quran, "We created man from a drop of mingled fluid".
still no mention of the female Ovum
you're forgetting something very important here that would be called pre-matured birth not normal birth also it requires high end technology- Your point?
while the child birth success is high it's survivability is low it would also endanger both the mother's health and the baby's and might damage the mothers reproduction organs.
also we can create children without the men and women using artificial womb we just need the ovum of a woman and some semen sadly that's considered un ethical
We have commanded man to be good to his parents: his mother struggled to carry him and struggled to give birth to him- his bearing and weaning took a full thirty months. When he has grown to manhood and reached the age of forty he [may] say, ‘Lord, help me to be truly grateful for Your favours to me and to my parents; help me to do good work that pleases You; make my offspring good. I turn to You; I am one of those who devote themselves to You.’Mothers suckle their children for two whole years, if they wish to complete the term, and clothing and maintenance must be borne by the father in a fair manner. No one should be burdened with more than they can bear: no mother shall be made to suffer harm on account of her child, nor any father on account of his. The same duty is incumbent on the father’s heir. If, by mutual consent and consultation, the couple wish to wean [the child], they will not be blamed, nor will there be any blame if you wish to engage a wet nurse, provided you pay as agreed in a fair manner. Be mindful of God, knowing that He sees everything you do.(31:14)We enjoined upon man to be dutiful to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning lasted two years. (We, therefore, enjoined upon him): “Give thanks to Me and to your parents. To Me is your ultimate return.- Thank you for confirming what I said. That, the duration designated serve as a legal basis for child care, alimony, child support..etc.
a god makes a mistake at the numbers of months women need to give birth
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@Yassine
We have commanded man to be good to his parents: his mother struggled to carry him and struggled to give birth to him- his bearing and weaning took a full thirty months. When he has grown to manhood and reached the age of forty he [may] say, ‘Lord, help me to be truly grateful for Your favours to me and to my parents; help me to do good work that pleases You; make my offspring good. I turn to You; I am one of those who devote themselves to You.’Mothers suckle their children for two whole years, if they wish to complete the term, and clothing and maintenance must be borne by the father in a fair manner. No one should be burdened with more than they can bear: no mother shall be made to suffer harm on account of her child, nor any father on account of his. The same duty is incumbent on the father’s heir. If, by mutual consent and consultation, the couple wish to wean [the child], they will not be blamed, nor will there be any blame if you wish to engage a wet nurse, provided you pay as agreed in a fair manner. Be mindful of God, knowing that He sees everything you do.(31:14)We enjoined upon man to be dutiful to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning lasted two years. (We, therefore, enjoined upon him): “Give thanks to Me and to your parents. To Me is your ultimate return.- Thank you for confirming what I said. That, the duration designated serve as a legal basis for child care, alimony, child support..etc
while the child birth success is high it's survivability is low it would also endanger both the mother's health and the baby's and might damage the mothers reproduction organs.
if it proves something it proves that your god is f*cking idiot
@Lunar108
still no mention of the female Ovum
- I suspect it's the yellow substance... There was no word for ovum then... Which begs the question, how did the dear Prophet (pbuh) know that children are a product of both female & male substances, contrary to what the Arabs believed then or everybody else for that matter? (including the Greeks). In fact, in Europe, they would only adopt this view in the 18th century.
while the child birth success is high it's survivability is low it would also endanger both the mother's health and the baby's and might damage the mothers reproduction organs.
- Viability means survivability...
also we can create children without the men and women using artificial womb we just need the ovum of a woman and some semen sadly that's considered un ethical
- And...?
a god makes a mistake at the numbers of months women need to give birth
- Are you implying 7th century Arabs gave birth at 6 months?
while the child birth success is high it's survivability is low it would also endanger both the mother's health and the baby's and might damage the mothers reproduction organs.
- This is true before 6 months, not after.
if it proves something it proves that I'm a f*cking idiot
- Couldn't agree more.
still no mention of the female Ovum- I suspect it's the yellow substance... There was no word for ovum then... Which begs the question, how did the dear Prophet (pbuh) know that children are a product of both female & male substances, contrary to what the Arabs believed then or everybody else for that matter? (including the Greeks). In fact, in Europe, they would only adopt this view in the 18th century.
you mean piss/urine
while the child birth success is high it's survivability is low it would also endanger both the mother's health and the baby's and might damage the mothers reproduction organs.- Viability means survivability...also we can create children without the men and women using artificial womb we just need the ovum of a woman and some semen sadly that's considered un ethical- And...?a god makes a mistake at the numbers of months women need to give birth- Are you implying 7th century Arabs gave birth at 6 months?while the child birth success is high it's survivability is low it would also endanger both the mother's health and the baby's and might damage the mothers reproduction organs.- This is true before 6 months, not after.if it proves something it proves that allah is a f*cking idiot- Couldn't agree more.
allah is f*cking idiot for claiming that women can give birth in 6 months
you mean piss/urine
- I'm sure it said, "reproductive substance". They come from different holes in case you weren't aware...
allah is f*cking idiot for claiming that women can give birth in 6 months
- It is you who's claiming that, calling yourself idiot is a new concession...
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@Lunar108
many religions claim to be universal and claim that following any other religion will end you up -or should I say down- in hellincluding :the two abrahamic religionislamchristianityjudaismwait maybe not judaism
Judaism was the first religion to introduce Abraham.
Islam and Christianity are offshoots of Judaism and based on the Abrahamic God of the Hebrew Bible.