Why I have became prolife on abortion (but am not pro life for everything)

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I'm one of the few pro lifers willing to admit they are not consistently pro life and here is why:

Why I'm pro life with abortion:

Feminists: We don’t think you should be forced to take care of someone so we are pro choice.

Me: A deadbeat dad agrees. He doesn’t want to pay child support because he doesn’t want the pain associated with parenthood, just like you don’t want the pain associated with an unwanted pregnancy. Are you fine with deadbeat dads not paying child support?

Femenists: Absolutely not! His money, our choice. He ought to be responsible for the kids he created whether he consents or not.

Me: If he should be responsible for the kids he created without his consent, so should you.

Why I'm not pro life with issues in general (healthcare, guns, welfare, foreign aid, adoption, etc):

Femenist: If your pro life, you should be in favor of you yourself paying for my kid's healthcare by raising your taxes.

Deadbeat Dad: If you are forcing me to pay child support to take care of my kid; if you care about my kid, YOU should pay for the kid, not me through your tax dollars going to pay for my kid that you seem to care about so much.

Me: You both chose to create the kid from your sexual habits, so that kid is entirely your responsibility and not mine.  Don't make me or your kid pay for YOUR irresponsibility.  Get a job moochers!  If you don't know where they are, get a way up account and search for them.  We have the fucking internet!
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Some people, women (feminist women shock and horror) have a job and are paid wages they can barely live on.

She has sex one night with a man, both not too educate on how silly the 'pull out' method is and one of the only nights of thirty mins of stress-free life for whatever reason.

So... She's pregnant.

That's a typical scenario where abortion is needed. Why? Plan B costs money, she's broke, he's broke and they are literally making as much as they need to spend to survive.

It's partly why he was reluctant to buy a condom.

Welcome to reality Underdog, tell them to get a job, they both have them. Tell them they should have used contraception or abstained, well done you solved it all. Wow, pro-life utopia what a top tier genius. I'm sure no back alley abortions will occur and that those born into the poverty and unwanted arena of the slum/ghetto/already-full-family will enjoy their life either neglected (even worse, emotionally abused at least) by their parents or in the foster care system.

I'm not talking of guaranteed outcomes, I'm talking of trends and overall consequences. You clearly can spell Feminist btw, so stick to the right spelling (it's not Femenist).
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Everyone is selectively moral.

Even "Pro Lifers".

What's new?
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Texas outlawed abortion for incest and rape because they need more Trump voters.
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If you don't believe adoption should be free,  you're not pro-life. If you don't believe all children under the age of 18 should have complete healthcare coverage, you're not pro-life. Vasectomies are now reversible if you get a woman pregnant you're as responsible as she is as far as the finances of the child after being born. A woman has every right to not have a child come out of her body. The fact that you don't know the difference between money and an actual human body being forced to go through an event that could cause their own death is why men should not make any decisions regarding pro-choice or pro-life. Most abortions are done via pill and people still complain that they don't want that available to people. It's nine times out of 10 the monotheist religious psychotics that want to prevent any and all birth control, abortion without surgery and sex education. If you decide a woman has no right to privacy when it comes to abortion then no one has any right to privacy on any medical concern. And the government should get to decide whether or not you have any medical procedure.

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Well stated Poly.
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I...totally agree with this post, and honestly, I'm a bit beside myself.

You win, universe! :)
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Great point. If you truly outlaw abortions, you aren't asking for cradle to the grave government tyranny anymore.

It's now womb to the grave.
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She has sex one night with a man, both not too educate on how silly the 'pull out' method is and one of the only nights of thirty mins of stress-free life for whatever reason.

So... She's pregnant.
Poor women should find other things to do than get penetrated by random people (and poor men should have better things to do than to penetrate random women).

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Welcome to reality Underdog, tell them to get a job, they both have them.
If their current job doesn't pay enough for them, find a better one; the University of Georgetown found 13 million good paying jobs in the US that only require a HS degree to complete that pay $55K/year or more.  But democrat politicians won't tell you that because they need poor people to continue to vote democrat and for handouts.

 I'm sure no back alley abortions will occur and that those born into the poverty and unwanted arena of the slum/ghetto/already-full-family will enjoy their life either neglected (even worse, emotionally abused at least) by their parents or in the foster care system.
Once the kid is born, it's not my problem.  The female has to live with the fact that she was too slutty for one night and got pregnant as a result.  HOW HARD IS IT NOT TO HAVE SEX?  Just jerk off to porn if you need a way to get your sexual urges out.
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If you don't believe adoption should be free,  you're not pro-life.
I've considered advocating for making adoption free, but if adoption is free, then more poor people would adopt and that's worse for the kid if they end up in a poor family.  Given that 94% of kids ALREADY get adopted within 5 years with a very expensive adoption fee, it makes sense to keep the fee in there.

If you don't believe all children under the age of 18 should have complete healthcare coverage, you're not pro-life.
Children get complete healthcare coverage paid for by their parents; the people that chose to breed them.  If you can't afford to have kids, don't have sex, and don't expect either an aborted fetus (if an abortion happens) or a taxpayer (if an abortion doesn't happen) to pay for YOUR mistakes.

Vasectomies are now reversible if you get a woman pregnant you're as responsible as she is as far as the finances of the child after being born
Correct.  Men should be less slutty and keep it in their pants.  The issue with mandating vastectomies is it would lead to more promiscuious sex which leads to more STIs spreading and STIs can be deadly.  This is why 1/5 gay and bisexual men (who don't worry about unwanted pregnency) have HIV(1 in 5 Gay/Bi Men Have HIV, Nearly Half Don't Know (webmd.com)).

The fact that you don't know the difference between money and an actual human body being forced to go through an event
The amount of pain a female goes through for birth isn't priceless.  X amount of pain = Y amount of dollars.  If it's morally acceptable to force a deadbeat to pay child support against his will for the kids he chose to create, you can force a female to give birth against her will for the kids she chose to create.  If the deadbeat is not allowed to set his kids up for adoption, neither is the female.  Grow a pair and take responsibility for the sex you choose to have.

that could cause their own death
Pretty rare and abortions should be legal to save a mother's life.

is why men should not make any decisions regarding pro-choice or pro-life
I'm presuming your against Roe V Wade?  After all, it was decided by 9 men who will never get pregnant and know what it feels like.  But in any society with freedom of speech, men are allowed a say on abortion and there is nothing women can do about it because we live in a free society.

It's nine times out of 10 the monotheist religious psychotics that want to prevent any and all birth control
I'm an atheist (because God is evil) and I think birth control should be legal, but you pay for it yourself.

 If you decide a woman has no right to privacy when it comes to abortion then no one has any right to privacy on any medical concern.
Abortion isn't an ordinary medical issue, although if I asked the typical person, "Have you had cancer"(an actual medical issue), they would respond honestly and not be ashamed of their answer, no matter what it is.

If abortion is a medical issue, then bombings are target practice.  I'm pretty sure both abortions and bombings are something other than a medical issue or target practice.
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Having done investigation for adoptions I can tell you it's an extremely expensive process. And I don't know what you mean by poor but there are middle class families who can't afford the attorney and the investigation fee.

Obviously it is considered an extraordinary because it's segregated out from every other medical procedure on the planet.
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 And I don't know what you mean by poor but there are middle class families who can't afford the attorney and the investigation fee.
Okay; make sure the foster kids don't end up with them.  Make sure the only people that can adopt are those that can afford to.  That would get these poor foster mother fuckers out of poverty.

Obviously it is considered an extraordinary because it's segregated out from every other medical procedure on the planet.
What is the definition of a medical procedure?  Once we figure out that, we can see if abortion qualifies.

If abortion doesn't qualify, then it's not a medical procedure.

If abortion does qualify, then it's a medical procedure that needs to be severely restricted because what you call something is irrelevent.  It doesn't matter if you call gun grabbing, "common sense gun reform".  It doesn't matter if you call separating children from their parents, "securing the border".  Fuck Euphemisms!  What does an abortion actually do?  If abortion does something victim producing, it ought to be banned (or at least restricted severely).
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The unborn did not have rights there is no victim in an abortion. 
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After dropping everything I said

If the unborn is a human being, then the unborn' s life is violated.  The overwhelming majority of science confirms a fetus is a human being.  A woman who gets an abortion is like a deadbeat parent for abandoning parental responsibilities (that they owe their kid and that nobody else does though their tax dollars).  They both should be punished the same way since they are both about as common.
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If the fetus is a human being then I should be able to take out a life insurance policy on it, it should have a birth certificate, I should be able to get an ID for it and I can't do any of those things. Do you know why, because it's not born yet therefore, It's not a human being yet. It is a potential human being and until it's born it's not a victim.
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If the fetus is a human being then I should be able to take out a life insurance policy on it, it should have a birth certificate, I should be able to get an ID for it and I can't do any of those things.
This is what I call the ancilary alternative fallacy. 

Pro choicers might argue something like if a fetus is a human being, "why the census doesn't count them".

At the same time, a pro lifer could say, "If a fetus isn't a human being, then how come murdering a pregnant woman is a double murder"

In this situation, your going to have to bite the bullet with either advocating that the census count fetuses if you are pro life or your going to have to advocate for murdering a pregnant woman being counted as a single homicide if your pro choice.  Biting the bullet in either of these situations is something that would be done. 

But in the end, will society change that much if the census counted fetuses?  Not really; the population of every country increases 2% and it's merely classification.  At the same time, if society counts murdering pregnant women as a single homicide rather than a double homicide, is that going to change much?  Not really either.  The person who did the murder is about as likely to get the death sentence for the murder whether one person was killed or 2 were because in the practice of law, people are about as likely to get put to death for murdering one person as they are 2 people since the vast majority of American murderers.  The number of extra murderers that are saved by making it so murdering a pregnant woman is a single homicide will be extremely nominal in a country of 330 million people, and judges almost always see the murder of the pregnant female producing 2 victims; the mother, and the fetus (even if those judges are pro choice).