Christians, we’re in BIG TROUBLE if certain books are removed from schools!

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PSEUDO-CHRISTIANS:

I am sure you are aware of the latest news in mostly Christians wanting certain books that relate to pornographic and obscene material to be removed from school libraries!  BUT, this can also relate to our Christian Bible as well which would be BLASPHEME in Christian Religious Schools!

As but one example, in a Monday letter to the executive director of the Texas Association of School Boards, Greg Abbott, even though he is a Hell Bound Catholic, said that parents have the right to shield their children from obscene content in schools and that public schools shouldn't have "pornographic or obscene material." He asked the organization to determine the extent to which such material exists — and remove it.


Here lies the rub, if any pseudo-christian has actually read ALL of our JUDEO-Christian Bible, no matter what version of over 100 different Bibles there are, where they are all assumed to be correct at the same time even though they contradict each other, our Jesus’ inspired words within the scriptures also include disgusting pornographic and obscene material whereas a few of MANY examples are shown below: 

"And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:15-18, ) Pedophilia for the little girls by Moses' army?  SICKENING!  Firstly, how was it determined that the women children did not lay with a man? Did Moses' army spread open the little girl vaginas to determine this fact? How disgusting can our Jesus’ words as God get at times?!

Holy Jesus Christ, can you see little Timmy reading this Jesus inspired passage? “There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.”  (Ezekiel 23:20-21).   "Mom, what is an emission like a horse mean?"

Because Jesus as God wasn’t taking care of his creation, He let them EAT THEIR CHILDREN: “So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him." (2 Kings 6:29). “Honey, can you pass our son’s wrist bone to me, thanks.”

Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate again forced His creation to EAT THEIR CHILDREN: “Further, you will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters you will eat”(Levitcus 26:29)

Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate ordered and accepted the following in selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), and in child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing innocent babies against rocks! (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). Is this “obscene material,” YES IT IS!



Question: as is adamantly shown in this treatise, the pseudo-christian, and me as the only TRUE Christian upon this forum, our faith’s Bible is guilty of pornography and the obscene!  Therefore, what do we do to not get our JUDEO-Christian Bible from being banned, or worse, even burned like many of Jesus’ creation want to perform for this type of book?!


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Call out post.
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Indeed,Witch.

It appears that the Brother is calling out to believers to solve this Christian dilemma.
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Welcome back Brother D.
Nice to see you have returned with an interesting dilemma😊


Looks like your post count has taken a serious hammering there Brother and your awards too. Were you given a reason for this extra penalty?


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Nah it's just a bad start.

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Stephen,

Yes, mysteriously when my ban was over with from SupaDudz in allegedly doing what certain pseudo-christians do, but did not get banned, I tried to log in with my normal protocols, but to no avail. I tried again with 2 different   passwords that I have used for over 30 years, but again, they didn't work whatsoever, hmmmmmm.  I can't imagine why, but to only think that Satan was involved somehow in not letting me back within this forum!  Therefore I returned as Brother D. Thomas in using the period after my middle initial. It matters not my previous post count, because I will still easily Bible Slap Silly any pseudo-christian again that gets out of line with Jesus' inspired words.

In prayer with Jesus He told me  to get my ass back into DEBATEART Religion forum post haste because the pseudo-christians were running amuck and making fools of themselves in His name to help you out!

Very, very, very prestigious and very well known Christian/Atheist web sites have followed me here to see what happens to me this time in delivering Jesus' true and inspired words to the membership regarding the scriptures.  I am in membership with them in using different monikers over the years, where they post my escapades here on DEBATEART in their web sites to follow certain threads, praise Jesus!  

Do we just ignore the Bible inept Polytheistwitch that could no more address my initial topic post, than to be able to walk on water in the summertime? Unfortunately for the Polywitch, you put them in their rightful place with your post #3 as usual. When will they ever learn? Huh?

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Polytheist-Witch,

YOUR WEAK QUOTES AS USUAL: "Call out post, Nah it's just a bad start."

What truly is a bad start is that you are calling my godly thread a "call out" of which I did not mention anyone's specific name, get it?  Furthermore, what is a bad start FOR YOU within my thread is the FACT that you cannot address it in anyway whatsoever, but to only use simple-minded platitudes to run away from it, as usual.

You are excused for now dear, run along .............

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why is your profile picture the kkk burning a cross now?
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Hi Brother, welcome back. 

Your dilemma is not a Christian dilemma. It is a dilemma only for you. 

If you were not unaware, the bible is banned in many schools already.  Ironically, not for pornography or lewdness, but for allegedly hate speech, homophobia and racism.

The Gideon bible which used to be in every hospital, school, and hotel, has been removed because it was discriminatory.

Hence, your link to a governor' page and other site does not actually go far enough.  Noteworthy too is this is more of a Republican / Political position as opposed to a Christian one. 

Now to the intent of your post.

Is the bible pornographic? Well I suppose it depends upon what we mean by pornographic.  Certainly some of the pictures described present pictures that contain sexual content, exploitation, nudity etc.  But are they pornographic or not?

 "Pornography is the depiction of sexual behavior that is intended to arouse sexual excitement in its audience." Pornography legal definition of Pornography (thefreedictionary.com)

Hence, the question has to be asked - Are the writers of the Bible using this language as a means of intending to arouse sexual excitement? 

I personally, do not see anything in it that arouses sexual excitement.  Of course - Brother,  I can't speak for you. And given you have clearly linked these passages to pornography then it goes without saying that these pictures presented in the Bible excite you.   Again, perhaps why this is a dilemma for you and not for Christianity per se. 

For me when I read these passages - they speak of judgment.  Judgment for me has the opposite effect than arousing me.  Nevertheless, given its impact upon you, perhaps you need to go and see someone to help you. 

The Bible is art literature.  It fits within that category. No one that I have ever met has ever suggested they have read the bible to get sexually excited. Or even that the bible gets them sexually excited.  

So is it pornographic? I don't think so.  It does not fit the criteria of pornography. 
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this is what you spend your spare time doing man
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Therefore I returned as Brother D. Thomas in using the period after my middle initial. 

Yes I noticed that. And a lovely new avatar too. 


In prayer with Jesus He told me  to get my ass back into DEBATEART Religion forum post haste because the pseudo-christians were running amuck and making fools of themselves in His name.......
The " the pseudo-christians" appear to be doing more arguing among themselves. .... what's new,?


........to help you out!

Then he doesn't know me too well, does he? There again, he probably doesn't know his own biography too well either. 


Do we just ignore the Bible inept Polytheistwitch.

The Witch may be bible inept, Brother, but she knows enough to know that the myth wrapped around a very human being named Jesus by Christians has all been lifted from her own or many other ancient pagan beliefs. I will always give credit where I believe is is rightly due. And I like the Witch... but don't tell her.

 Nice to see you back.
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Your dilemma is not a Christian dilemma.

That will be because you are far too bible ignorant to see it never mind admit to it. Adopting a god  that you don't understand, from a time that you don't understand and from a culture you don't understand is the cross you have to bare and the rod that you have made for your own back, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete.

And what else you are failing to see (no surprises) is the "obscenity"  of the verses as have been clearly pointed out by the Brother.

Do you not see the obscenity in eating ones own children Levitcus 26:29?  or Deuteronomy 28:53-57? Both written for the children of Israel audience of gods chosen people and which you and Christians have attached yourselves to?
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And what else you are failing to see (no surprises) is the "obscenity"  of the verses as have been clearly pointed out by the Brother.

Do you not see the obscenity in eating ones own children Levitcus 26:29?  or Deuteronomy 28:53-57? Both written for the children of Israel audience of gods chosen people and which you and Christians have attached yourselves to?
So I guess by your pointing to "obscenity", that you concede that there is no pornography within the text. Thanks for the concession. 

So in relation to obscenity - I am not sure of your point.  Those two passages clearly declare that the result of disobeying God would inevitably end with the Israelites committing these foul and heinous offences.  Both passages and their outcomes ONLY come about because the people have so disobeyed God, that it leads to them doing this.  These acts are not condoned by God, but condemned by God. They result from a cause and effect situation. In other words, they bring it on themselves. 

And what you fail to realize as well (although since you are not a scholar or an academic we can forgive you for your ignorance) is that both of these passages are WARNINGS. They are not prophecies. They are not examples of what is happening. They are not pictures of what has already occurred. They are WARNINGS to the Israelites that failing to obey God has natural and even obscene outcomes - many of which they would never even consider would possibly come.  

The other thing you fail to note is that these curses or judgments - have a flip side. That is of blessing.  IF the obey God, then they will be abundantly blessed. This too is a natural result - cause and effect.  When you take care of your children - then they will grow healthy. When you work hard, you will receive enough to provide for your family. If your leaders are not corrupt then your people will live in freedom and peace.  But if your leaders become corrupt - along with your judges - and if your businessmen rip each other off, and if your men are unfaithful to their wives and if they beat their kids silly, then these other things will inevitably occur. 

Again, providing warnings to anyone - does not by itself constitute obscenity.  Different cultures provide warnings in accustom to their cultures.  In the West, we tell people do the right thing and you will succeed in life. If you stuff up, you will go to prison or get a fine. We could add in more colour. If you stuff up, you will go to prison and you will experience the finer points of friendship - that prisoners can tell you about. Or if you get a fine, you won't have enough to pay your  mortgage. 

I am attached to the God of the Bible. I am not ashamed of its words or of it warnings.  It is a book of literature and of art. And it contains historical warnings - and prophetical warnings too. Nevertheless, I accept that for many people in our woke society and those of the Socialist Left hate it. They consider it evil and full of hate speech.  I think that they are wrong and also a bit precious.  Yet a culture will dictate its own perspective on these matters. 

Yet, for me it is not a dilemma for the Christian. It is a dilemma for the society and culture we live in.  An art piece depicting the PissChrist is deemed not offensive - not pornographic and non- obscene.  If this is the standard, then the Bible is hardly a problem.  
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It makes me wonder what it is that you might make your God tell you next.  Its like living on the edge.    BAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM and ya off on a tangent. 

Let us now take 6 seconds.
6 seconds to think about that BLOKE that said ' HEY ' 
He said
' We should get the god thing to speak in a funny , half arsed manner kind of deal. 
Not quite here and not quite  there. 
Brilliant idea.   

And  a 5 

And a four.
Three.
Two. 
And a one. 


But It's not about dodging the bible when you are young .  It is alllllllllll about not seeing that, (  NEO GEO ) . 
You know the one?    That issue with toppless african women.
Mmmmmmmm  Very nice. 

Also. 
Audible Bibles. 
Do Bibles on my computer work like them hard backed paper ones ? 


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Eve does look pretty hot in leaves. 
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CURRENT NUMBERS .
1.9 Billion Christians 

To have it a guess ,  Id say,
One billion of these would consider themselves a  "current "   (  ☆☆☆☆  TOP  10  ☆☆☆☆  )  of allllllll time at
( SCRIPTURE TRANSLATING ) /  DECIPHERING ING ) 
TOP 10 might be a bit harsh hey?. 
Well definitely  TOP 100 

Imagine (  NOT  )  being good at translating scriptures. 

Imagine some bloke saying to ya ,  ' i reckon i am a below average scripture trans later ' 

EVERY THEIST ON THIS SITE IS IN THE (  TOP 100 ) 
CONGRATS.  
YOU HAVE THAT SPECIAL QUERKY WAY. 

Good game.
Good game.
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  Those two passages clearly declare that the result of disobeying God would inevitably end with the Israelites committing these foul and heinous offences.

Yes obscene aren't they?  Biblical obscenities.


So I guess by your pointing to "obscenity", that you concede that there is no pornography within the text. Thanks for the concession. 

You do love your  assumptions don't you. I don't believe that I have conceded anything.


...............woke socialist.  They consider it evil and full of hate speech.

More assumptions. I am not "woke", not sure about a socialist. Unlike your god, I do not believe homosexuals should be put to death because of the way HE created them.  And unlike your other persona dimwit tim, I don't believe that the bible should be banned or destroyed or thrown on a fire. 

But for you to deny that there is hate speech and "evil " written in the bible would be for you to  be - predictably - in denial.

Luke 14:26 26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple. 

Off you go now Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete. I am far too idle to pull the rest  of your waffling word salad to shreds. 
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 Those two passages clearly declare that the result of disobeying God would inevitably end with the Israelites committing these foul and heinous offences.

Yes obscene aren't they?  Biblical obscenities.
Surprise! Surprise!  Imagine Stephen mixing two concepts and pretending they are the same thing????? I have just explained this. You can go back and read what I wrote. You will enjoy doing it. 

So I guess by your pointing to "obscenity", that you concede that there is no pornography within the text. Thanks for the concession. 

You do love your  assumptions don't you. I don't believe that I have conceded anything.
And yet you totally ignored EVERY point I made in relation to pornography. You did not even attempt to address it. Conceded!!!! LOL! 

...............woke socialist.  They consider it evil and full of hate speech.

More assumptions. I am not "woke", not sure about a socialist. Unlike your god, I do not believe homosexuals should be put to death because of the way HE created them.  And unlike your other persona dimwit tim, I don't believe that the bible should be banned or destroyed or thrown on a fire. 
Stephen, I know you are not woke. You have made that perfectly clear.  I raised wokeness because I think your ideas are woke. You are the product of progressive and wokeness. Everything you say is woke. Go and join your Democrat lovers.  Your arguments are woke.  So just because you identify as non-woke - does not change the wokeness that comes out of your mouth.  

And for your information - I don't believe that homosexuals should be put to death just because they are homosexuals.  And I don't think God does either.  

I thought you were dimtim.  and brother. and a whole lot of other personas.  I can confidently say I am not Ethang. I am not Dimtim. I am not PGA.02.  I am tradesecret.  Not tradey. not tradesecrete. not reverend. Just Tradesecret.  I am definitely not woke or socialist. nor democrat.  nor a bible hater. 

But for you to deny that there is hate speech and "evil " written in the bible would be for you to  be - predictably - in denial.
I think the bible is a unique book.  It has been written by over 40 authors over a span of 4000 years.  It contains all sorts of language and genres. Some history. Some poetry. Some prophetic. Some others types.  Sometimes it contains UNGODLY people presenting their views. AND although I don't condone their position I accept it needs to be presented to provide a full and accurate picture of dialogue.  Is the narrative which talks of killing Jesus hate speech? Yes. But is the Bible saying - it should not be there? No. It is part of the narrative.   The Bible contains things sensitive - to some cultures and generations.   This is true. Does it make it hate speech? No. 

I say that unreservedly.  Why?   Because the underlying premise of the Bible is this: If you repent - you are welcome and forgiven. Hate speech - real hate speech - would never give a person any possibility of repentance or of reconciliation.  Hate speech denies the concept of such things as grace and mercy.   


Luke 14:26 26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple. 
Hmmm - this passage or verse is very clear.  God is the God of the universe. Your highest priority is to me.  It is talking about values.  In all things our highest loyalty ought to be to those who are right and true and just.  

And just to be clear to what I am saying - imagine you are the mother of Adolph Hitler.  And you know what your boy Adolph has done to the Jews and to the homosexuals and to the gypsies. You know - this.  Now where are your loyalties going to be?   And this is the point of that verse which you so conveniently leave aside.  When the Americans come and want to know where Adolph is - will you tell them or will you be loyal to Adolph - your own flesh and blood. If you remain loyal to Adolph, does this mean you hate everyone else?  Or does it mean you have demonstrated you hate good and right? 

God never asks for the sake of asking - that you be loyal to him.  It is about loyalty to the truth and to what is right.  And since God is always right and always true - then if your mother or your sister is pulling you away - then where are you going to put your loyalty? 

Until you figure this out - then your loyalty is intrinsically RACIST.  You are saying blood matters more than truth. 



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Pretty dangerous path to go down if you'd kill your own offspring because your imaginary friend compelled you to do so.

If I were Adolf Hitler's mother, I wouldn't do it even if God blackmailed me. Why did God put me in that position and how do I know I'm not just becoming psychotic and schizophrenic thinking another entity with supreme power compelled me to murder my offspring?

It's an unbelievably extreme error in judgement to slaughter and betray your own family because some voice in your head told you to.
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 Those two passages clearly declare that the result of disobeying God would inevitably end with the Israelites committing these foul and heinous offences.

Yes obscene aren't they?  Biblical obscenities.
Surprise! Surprise!  Imagine Stephen mixing two concepts and pretending they are the same thing?????
Obscenity Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete, obscenity.
You really are dense, aren't you, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete?   Pornography is acceptable and not offensive to some if  not many (a multi million £ industry by all accounts) but just the thought of eating the flesh of one's own children , I should imagine is totally repulsive, ie obscene to the largest part of the worlds population. 

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BigPimpDaddy,

YOUR QUOTE THAT SHOULD BE SELF-EVIDENT: "why is your profile picture the kkk burning a cross now?"

Listen, the Klan was established to hate African Americans, Jews, Latinos, Asian Americans, Catholics, Native Americans, leftists, homosexuals, Muslims and Atheists for good reason!  And, that is the Bible considers the aforementioned entities as EVIL that go directly against Jesus' inspired words within the scriptures!

"O you who love the Lord, hate evil! He preserves the lives of his saints; he delivers them from the hand of the wicked." (Psalm 97:10)

"I hate the assembly of evildoers, and I will not sit with the wicked." (Psalm 26:5)

Therefore, it is about time that all Christians join the KKK organization like I did in the name of Jesus, praise! 2+2=4.


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Is the bible pornographic? Well I suppose it depends upon what we mean by pornographic.  Certainly some of the pictures described present pictures that contain sexual content, exploitation, nudity etc.  But are they pornographic or not?

 "Pornography is the depiction of sexual behavior that is intended to arouse sexual excitement in its audience." Pornography legal definition of Pornography (thefreedictionary.com)

Hence, the question has to be asked - Are the writers of the Bible using this language as a means of intending to arouse sexual excitement? 
Your rounded thighs are like jewels,
    the work of a master hand.
Your navel is a rounded bowl
    that never lacks mixed wine.
Your belly is a heap of wheat,
    encircled with lilies.
Your two breasts are like two fawns,
    twins of a gazelle.
Your neck is like an ivory tower.
Your eyes are pools in Heshbon,
    by the gate of Bath-rabbim...

How beautiful and pleasant you are,
    O loved one, with all your delights!
Your stature is like a palm tree,
    and your breasts are like its clusters.
I say I will climb the palm tree
    and lay hold of its fruit.
Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine,
    and the scent of your breath like apples,
    and your mouth like the best wine.
-- Song of Solomon



I would say the Song of Songs is about nothing but romantic and sexual excitement.
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@ RationalMadman,



If I were Adolf Hitler's mother, I wouldn't do it even if God blackmailed me. Why did God put me in that position and how do I know I'm not just becoming psychotic and schizophrenic thinking another entity with supreme power compelled me to murder my offspring?

And I am sure that this would be no defence in a court of law as I am sure the Lawyer and Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete will attest.
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Pretty dangerous path to go down if you'd kill your own offspring because your imaginary friend compelled you to do so.
Please go and read the passages that the Brother and the Stephen quoted.  Please detail for us anywhere where God says to the people of Israel - go and kill your offspring.  It does not say that. It says that when people have rejected God, that the natural state will lead to events that such things might well happen. God is warning them to check themselves, before this even gets close.  That is the point of a warning.  Stop and do the right thing. If you keep heading down the road drunk out of your brain driving at a hundred miles an hour - eventually there is a very good chance you will kill yourself and others. Stop.  Hence your particular twist here is not an implication of the text but of something else. 

If I were Adolf Hitler's mother, I wouldn't do it even if God blackmailed me. Why did God put me in that position and how do I know I'm not just becoming psychotic and schizophrenic thinking another entity with supreme power compelled me to murder my offspring?
Are you seriously telling me that you would not give up your son Adolph Hitler after everything he did just because he was your son. Are you really saying that blood is more significant than doing what is right?  Well that is a matter for you. But I would - even if it was reluctantly - attempt to do what was the right thing to do.  

Throwing in the notion that God has put you in the situation is nothing more than a red herring.  Perhaps God put you there because he was of the view that you would do the right thing.  I also am not suggesting that God is suggesting you kill your son, even Adolph Hitler. I am suggesting that the right thing would be hand him over to the proper authorities so that he might be judges lawfully.  When Jesus was talking about loving God more than family, even if the word "hate" is used, this does not mean - kill them.    It still is within the context of treat them respectfully and lawfully.   

It's an unbelievably extreme error in judgement to slaughter and betray your own family because some voice in your head told you to.

And who is talking about voices in the head? Where in the world has this nonsense come from? I would never listen to a voice in my head - unless it was my own voice.  I don't believe God talks to us that way anyway. 
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Therefore, it is about time that all Christians join the KKK organization like I did in the name of Jesus, praise! 2+2=4.
Christians should not join the KKK. It is anathema to everything that the bible teaches.  Christians are not intentionally racist. And besides most Christians in the world today are Asian or South American.  It is not a white religion. In fact Christian organisations ought to condemn the KKK. 
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Hi Castin, 

I was considering using this in my initial response to the OP, but chose not too. 

You make a fair point to some extent.  Yet, since Christians say that God speaks to everything in his word, then this would also include matters of righteous sex and marriage. 

I have used the Songs as pre-marital counseling. It is very helpful in that regard - putting forward a healthy relationship. 

And although I agree it is certainly romantic and it also provides a healthy attitude towards sex, it does not arouse me sexually, although it certainly heightens my love for my wife.  

I can't speak for others.  Perhaps it turns you on. Hopefully if it does it also provides a healthy context for you in your relationship.  


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f I were Adolf Hitler's mother, I wouldn't do it even if God blackmailed me. Why did God put me in that position and how do I know I'm not just becoming psychotic and schizophrenic thinking another entity with supreme power compelled me to murder my offspring?

And I am sure that this would be no defence in a court of law as I am sure the Lawyer and Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete will attest.
I totally agree Stephen.  

If someone tried to use this as a defense in court, no sensible court would allow it succeed.  No one should use texts out of context and which are saying something completely different to support their dodgy ideas.  The Bible clearly says fresh revelation has ceased. In fact it has been delivered once and for all according to Jude.  

Relying upon voices in the head is a sure way to lose a proper perspective in our daily walk. Most (not all) people I know who listen to such voices are also on medication, well mostly anyway.  
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Because he's an atheist pretending to be a Christian and he thinks that if he continues to portray the worst side of Christianity that he somehow representing general Christianity which makes him well you know I can't really say it or I'll get banned.
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BrotherD.Thomas is back!  Praise Jesus!!!!!
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And who is talking about voices in the head? Where in the world has this nonsense come from? I would never listen to a voice in my head - unless it was my own voice.  I don't believe God talks to us that way anyway. 

That is  interesting Reverend "Tradey" Tradsecrete.  Tell me; how does god speak to you personally?