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Whoever uses the land and doesn't leave is settled on it.  It may happen that one or none or all relevant parties use the land and continue to dispute the claim.
So they share the land as commonwealth? In that case no one owns the land they can only ever use it... unless they are willing to resort to violence to uphold the right to private ownership of land.
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Well if you're an American and you voted Democrat, then you are putting these types of revolutionaries in office. It's not just an intellectual exercise anymore to think about whether a Marxist-like revolution would be a net benefit to society. We're living it out.
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joe biden is most definitely not a communist revolutionary nor any other democrat in congress.
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I never used the term "communist revolutionary." I simply called them revolutionaries. And the revolution is "Marxist-like." That's not a precise term, but it emphasizes the Marxist roots of the underlying ideology.
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Please explain democrats marxist like tendencies.
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Critical Race Theory is a great example. At least, the practical application of it at a policy level.
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Well if you're an American and you voted Democrat, then you are putting these types of revolutionaries in office. It's not just an intellectual exercise anymore to think about whether a Marxist-like revolution would be a net benefit to society. We're living it out.
The two party system maintains the status quo regardless of personal voting preferences. The "freedom" of representatives democracy is an illusion. As for a revolution there is no revolution and if there were you would know .
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Critical Race Theory is a great example. At least, the practical application of it at a policy level.
Critical race theory is almost never considered in policy creation or application. That is why there is a need of critical race theory to he taught at the college level though it will never be taught in public schools owing mostly to the extremely advanced nature of the course. In other words no one will be given a course in critical race theory that has not already chosen to devote considerable study of race relations in American history. 
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The "freedom" of representatives democracy is an illusion. As for a revolution there is no revolution and if there were you would know .
That's why they are getting rid of our federal republic for something new. That is the goal at least. The revolution is an ideological one. It's not a violent revolution. Not yet.


Critical race theory is almost never considered in policy creation or application.
How familiar are you with CRT?


That is why there is a need of critical race theory to he taught at the college level...
Why is there a need?
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The revolution is an ideological one. 
This happens with each successive generation. 
How familiar are you with CRT?
I am familiar with it in the same way someone who knows algebra is familiar with calculus why?
That is why there is a need of critical race theory to he taught at the college level...
Why is there a need?
If we do not remember the mistakes of the past we are destined to repeat them.
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How familiar are you with CRT?
I am familiar with it in the same way someone who knows algebra is familiar with calculus why?
Because I have found there are many people who are intentionally deceptive when claiming CRT is not being taught or implemented anywhere outside of upper level college classes. Anyone who is familiar with CRT should know better.


That is why there is a need of critical race theory to he taught at the college level...
Why is there a need?
If we do not remember the mistakes of the past we are destined to repeat them.
Yes, but you don't need CRT to remember mistakes in the past, not even slavery. So why is there a need for CRT specifically?
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Because I have found there are many people who are intentionally deceptive when claiming CRT is not being taught or implemented anywhere outside of upper level college classes. Anyone who is familiar with CRT should know better.

It is not. It is a college level course. What is being offered by public schools is history and social studies programs some of which include curriculum about the effects of racism throughout history though in all honesty history is in general pretty whitewashed in public schools in America. It's an uncomfortable subject for a lot of us and no one likes discussing uncomfortable subjects with children. It doesn't help them to be better to pretend racism has been "solved" or worse that it was never a problem though.
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And this part:

"Yes, but you don't need CRT to remember mistakes in the past, not even slavery. So why is there a need for CRT specifically?"
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Many mathematical equations can be solved with algebra we still need calculus. 
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So why is there a need for CRT specifically?"
Someone should be examining the past and current effects of past and current racism on past and present society both to minimize racism (by recognizing it) and to address inequalities caused by racism past and present. 
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Someone should be examining the past and current effects of past and current racism on past and present society both to minimize racism (by recognizing it) and to address inequalities caused by racism past and present.
That doesn't explain why CRT specifically is necessary to fulfill that need. I don't need CRT to know that the KKK was bad for their racist beliefs and actions. Nor do I need CRT to know that it is wrong to segregate schools based on skin color. And lastly, I don't need CRT to address the inequalities of segregation. For example, if we give equal access to schools regardless of skin color, we have eliminated the racist action of segregation, and we have addressed the inequality.

So why is CRT specifically needed to examine the past in such a way that could not be achieved without it? What makes CRT uniquely qualified to fulfill that need?
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For example, if we give equal access to schools regardless of skin color, we have eliminated the racist action of segregation, and we have addressed the inequality.

not even remotely eliminated it.
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I don't need CRT to know that the KKK was bad for their racist beliefs and actions.
thats not what CRT is for.. nor anything else you said.
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Critical race theory is the advanced study of the effects of racism. Do you have some objection to the study of racism in order to understand and hopefully avoid racist executive policy?
For example, if we give equal access to schools regardless of skin color, we have eliminated the racist action of segregation, and we have addressed the inequality.
That you think it would he just tha TV simple without also viewing the long term economic impact of past racism and its effects on an individual's ability to afford tuition only highlights that we do in fact need this scholastic discipline. 

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Critical race theory is the advanced study of the effects of racism.
Are you speaking of racism as being the beliefs and actions of individuals, or the systems put in place by white people that benefit them at the expense of minorities?

And does racism exist only when specific racist things are happening, or is racism a normal and perpetual part of all our social institutions and practices?
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Are you speaking of racism as being the beliefs and actions of individuals, or the systems put in place by white people that benefit them at the expense of minorities?
Yes. That is both. Both of those things are racism. One is individual racism and the other is systemic racism. 
And does racism exist only when specific racist things are happening, or is racism a normal and perpetual part of all our social institutions and practices?
Racism is baked into many of our policies. Past United states lawmakers seem to have had a real knack for writing laws that disadvantaged minorities without explicitly mentioning any minorities in the laws themselves. 
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I instruct my kids to completely dismiss anything a teacher says with regard to politics. That is their opinion and is not fact. CRT is opinion and not fact. I reject it in its entirety and would not waste one second of my life discussing or debating it. It is race baiting nonsense.  
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It is the study of the effects of racism. The effects of racism inform the conclusions not the opinions of the researchers. 

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It is also a college level course that probably none of us is actually educated in. We are all laymen. If you disagree with the theory you should address actual researchers as they actually understand the theory and could explain the particulars far better than I owing to their education. 
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So CRT is uniquely qualified to examine the past because of it's perspective on racism being a normal and perpetual systemic reality, rather than simply being the beliefs and actions of individuals - a concept that is found in the writings of Derrick Bell and is a central tenet of CRT.

Is it being taught in public schools that racism is mainly systemic, that this systemic racism is a normal and perpetual reality that affects all our social institutions and practices, and that "individual racism" is often just a symptom of these deeper systemic issues?
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Is it being taught in public schools that racism is mainly systemic, that this systemic racism is a normal and perpetual reality that affects all our social institutions and practices, and that "individual racism" is often just a symptom of these deeper systemic issues?
In general no. In general public schools teach that Christopher Columbus was a hero and that the Indians and the pilgrims lived happily ever after... but that is what we should be teaching. This is a very simplistic version of race theory not the college level course. You need to learn this before you can even begin to study critical race theory scholastically.
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This is copied and pasted from another post if mine about the same topic. It references materials provided by the NEA, which is the largest labor union in the country.

If the NEA is placing a main emphasis on teaching this content and providing these materials for teachers to specifically teach in the classroom, wouldn't it be safe to say that these points are being taught in public schools?
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These points are not being adequately disseminated to our youth in my opinion but let's assume they are. These are the basic foundations of understanding. Critical race theory is  much more in depth and nuanced study of those phenomena and just teaching these points and such classes cannot necessarily be said to be critical race theory curriculum.

But let's assume that it is full on critical race theory. That this is for all intents and purposes identical. Let's also assume that it is being taught in every classroom in  America. 

Now my first question is what is your objection to this? All of that is true. Do you object to truth in curriculum?
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But let's assume that it is full on critical race theory. That this is for all intents and purposes identical. Let's also assume that it is being taught in every classroom in America.
Hold on for a minute. You seem to have just skipped over a major point. Recall this from post #102:
Because I have found there are many people who are intentionally deceptive when claiming CRT is not being taught or implemented anywhere outside of upper level college classes. Anyone who is familiar with CRT should know better.
It is not. It is a college level course.

And this from post #116:
Is it being taught in public schools that racism is mainly systemic, that this systemic racism is a normal and perpetual reality that affects all our social institutions and practices, and that "individual racism" is often just a symptom of these deeper systemic issues?
In general no.

You made a sweeping denial that CRT is being taught or implemented anywhere outside upper level college classes. Now you've just swept past evidence that fundamental tenets of CRT are in fact being taught in public schools as promoted by the NEA.

So before we move to your question, let's not just "assume" CRT is being taught for the sake of argument. Let's agree that fundamental tenets of CRT are actually being promoted and taught in public schools.
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These are the basic foundations of understanding. Critical race theory is  much more in depth and nuanced study of those phenomena and just teaching these points in classes cannot necessarily be said to be critical race theory curriculum.