USA should regulate healthcare costs, and make insurance nonprofit, not focus on universal plan

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i dont see your point. 
Because fat people get sick a LOT more than a skinny person which then leads to increased costs for all the healthcare across the nation required to keep them alive.

If you cared about lowering how much we spend as a nation on healthcare, you could attack the source of the costs. Healthy people don't need nearly as much healthcare.
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it's not necesssarily a bad thing if they go out if their model was raping the public. that's just a sign of the excesses when barely utilized hospitals are kept afloat 
There's really no point in continuing this repetitive nonsense. When you start describing what hospitals do as "raping the public," you are showing you have no idea what you're talking about.
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when it's pointed out to you that hospitals get few patients but u try to argue that our tax money should keep them afloat, you show that you dont know the free market and you show you dont know what what you're talking about. 
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if u could cite some statistics that show how expensive fat people are, maybe i'll consider it. we know that getting charged to much is the bulk of the problem,... it's a fact that the leading problem. and insurnace is too expensive too, up to a third of the problem. fat people are a problem but i'm not convinced it's anything nearly as huge. pun intended. 
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if u could cite some statistics that show how expensive fat people are, maybe i'll consider it.

how about over 75% of covid deaths due to obesity? I'd say that's a major health cost.
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In Japan, South Korea and many 'western' social democracies today, you will notice something extremely shocking when you compare it with the general people's body proportions in a nation like the US or the upper class in less developed nations; there are becoming less 'fat' people amongst the wealthy in these nations.

Why is that? It is perhaps, if extremely cynical, to do with campaigns and policies of 'taxing sugar' etc that certain governments carried out over recent years to help (according to skeptics who propose this idea) to reduce costs on the socialised or partially-socialised healthcare. If that's true, why don't proponents of this idea support the US doing that then?

As in, why don't proponents of the idea that obese people would drain the economy too much if healthcare were socialised, instead support information programs and policies on fast food (the same meal name in Europe is around only 60% as unhealthy as the same meal in the US, I am not exaggerating, this is due to strict EU policy regarding 'how unhealthy a single meal can be' in Europe which is a law that simply doesn't even exist in US), Japan and South Korea also healthier but that is more cultural (if it was purely oily and greasy fast food there, they'd not visit it much as they have much healthier 'fast food' outlets, focused on strips of meat and/or fish with decent amount of vegetables and only easy-to-digest starch formats like rice, etc). 

If you would observe what a culture can do if it begins to positively (not negatively or abusively) pressure the obese to make healthier life decisions, as one whole society (rather than individuals teasing and having spite for one another) you would see a much more exponential transition towards a healthier populace. You can call it Orwellian, even I was not a fan of the sugar tax (I love sugary treats now and again and am a slim guy myself) but ultimately it's about the 'greater good'.

If more people end up less draining on society and happier+healthier, these policies can be optimal for the society. It's all based around that metric. Stop screaming 'freedom' and then going 'oh no not everyone uses their freedom so wisely'. You don't matter enough on your own for your 'good life decisions' to outweigh the bad ones others can/will make without guidelines and restrictions. You're not the only citizen of your nation.