Vanilla Mafia DP 1

1. Starts off by calling me scum and dismissing my interaction with him as OMGUS (suggesting he thinks I am scum), however easily unvotes when Evil, a better mislynch oppertunity comes around. Never mentions scum reading me again until after my defense of evil, where he makes a wierd cross application that my scum play where I defended a fellow scum team mate means I am scum here if evil flips town. Like what? Talk about omgus, he is manufacturing ways to try and reduce my credibility as town even if I end up being right! His reads are based on oppertunity and not genuinity.

2. Quick switch on evil based on null tells; Pie originally told wylted he thought evil was town. He is claiming to be voting for him because he was "we(town)" But admits that if it was just "we" it would be a null tell. He is basically saying the only reason he thinks evil is scum is because he chose to clarify the obvious subtext of town in the inclusion of "we" which he has used before as town. This was apparently such a strong scum read that he flipped fully from being team "Evil is town" to team "Evil is scum". Pretty big jump in reads there for what is objectively a pretty minor reason. 

I am not mis-representing your point. I know what you arguments are, and I percieve them to something you don't view them to be.

If you think there is any merit to my read on pie or poly, please let us work together and obtain a lynch.

mainly cause lunatic pointed out how evil acts the same in other games.

vtl pie

People like Luna who are offended by words on Twitter led to Hoe Joe 2020

mainly cause lunatic pointed out how evil acts the same in other games.

vtl pie

I never saw this til now btw. I find this kind of hilarious considering I am the most anti-cencorship mother fvcker on this site lol. I started a thread that went big on the pmain page defended wylted's behavior, and constantly are on the mods asses about over censorship lol. In fact the whole wylted thread stemmed from you informing me of the details of why wylted was being banned, so you better than anyone should know I am the least likely person to be offended by words on twitter lmao.

Not to mention I literally threw as town once in a game where bullish threatened to mod kill because I used a naughty word lol 

You’re OMGUS and Evil’s OMGUS are two different scenarios and you know it. And I clearly meant if Evil flips scum you should be sussed. I can already feel you going on about how I scum slipped by saying that even though I’ve had to type town 30 times just to get rid of your strawman and make my point

It’s not a “minor” reason lol. It’s a statistically significant deviation

from his original play and demonstrates self consciousness which a noob mafia would definitely display. 

Every tell a noob town has is practically the same as noob mafia.

It’s hard to differentiate the two. But let’s look at you. You’ve been tunneling me this entire game. No scum-hunting at all. Saying I’m “aggressive” makes me scum when I’m just as aggressive as town.

So what’s your excuse for voting the mental patient over Trump?

The “we (town)” thing doesn’t stand out to me as much as it does you. I can see your point, but I’m also not sure Evil would try to subtly influence perception like that.

And as for the flip, if we do lynch Evil (which seems unlikely at this stage) and he flips scum, I’ve got some ideas for who I’d sus first. Not sure Luna would be top of the list if he’s town, but yes, I recall Luna’s previous effort to derail a lynch as scum.

I didn't vote for Biden or Trump lol. You kind of just assumed I did because I called out that you defend Trump, which you do. 

Well, I don’t think Luna has proven that Evil acts like this in other games. He’s shown that the OMGUS, specifically, is characteristic for him. He hasn’t shown that the subsequent behavior of hopping off the lynch and recharacterizing it to make it seem like it wasn’t an OMGUS is anything like what he’s done before.

Considering that all of the specific challenges you’ve given to my reasoning have been points I’ve already explicitly agreed with, you’ll have to forgive me for seeing them as misrepresenting issues with my actual reasons for sussing Evil. It would be one thing if you were directly pointing to those reasons and challenging them or explaining how they’re really just noob/anti-town, but I’m seeing you dance around my actual reasoning and challenging points other people have made against Evil. I guess we won’t see eye to eye on that, but it’s frustrating to me that I have to keep reiterating that I agree with you every time you challenge some portion of my reasoning that I’ve explicitly said made me townread him initially.

So you wrote in Vermin Supreme? Nice.

Evil's "omgus" was never a reason you voted for him, at least one that you stated. He had already omgus'ed whiteflame before your initial town read on him. Btw no, it wasn't clear that you mean if he flipped scum. Why didn't you just say that the first time I called you out for that read? You had like two back and forths with me without clarifying that part. You only clarify it now that I've highlighted it for others, why is that?

Wait what do you mean "statistically"? lol wtf

Because he included the obvious subtext of town? How is stating the obvious more scummy than having the obvious inferred?

You are digging your argument into a deeper and deeper hole. You are proving why this is a null tell.

I've said a lot more than just "your aggressive" lol. I think you are aggressive for show, though is what I am trying to say. You voted me for "OMGUS" but unvoted me the second an easier mislynch showed up. You proceeded to tag me in several posts later encouraging me to vote evil. If you thought I was scum this whole time why are you pinging me as if I am townie lol. This whole response was to me pointing out other behavior tells and convincing other to votes you for them. You are seeming desperate.

I wrote in hitler

I didn’t see it? You’ve been responding to me 5 times in 5 minutes lol. And it should’ve been clear after I brought up the Fast Food case.

It’s a statistically significant deviation from the data we have. It’s a stats thing. I’m a Finance Major.

He didn’t need to use it though is my point and previous data shows he hasn’t used it. The deviation in the data has to have a reason. You claim that it was due to chance, I claim it’s something noob town would do.

I was talking about the OMGUS but go on. Note I used practically not always.

I voted for you because you were being an asshole as well. Obviously voting you on OMGUS wouldn’t lead anywhere lol. I unvoted you because I was actually scum hunting which I was taught to do while you just sat there. I never said I thought you were scum this whole time - another strawman. All I said was you would be a good target if Evil flips scum. You’ve been tunneling me this entire day. 

I’m not saying that it’s impossible for him to be town. I’m saying that he’s far more self-conscious this game about his strategies. It’s not just about a single word usage, though I’m starting to notice that Pie’s point feeds into mine. I don’t see this as a purely noob move. I see this as a substantial show of self-consciousness that I haven’t seen before, as though he’s suddenly more aware of how others perceive his behaviors. Maybe that’s just growth on his part, but if it is, then it didn’t last much beyond that point. The self-consciousness suddenly disappeared when it was pointed out and he reverted back to his old behaviors.

I’m sure that you’ll point to my previous statements regarding Wylted and his focus on self-consciousness from Poly in the previous game, but I’d say that this is different. 

Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s one of the few instances where I’ve felt strongly enough about what I’m seeing to start and push a lynch, and I still feel strongly about it.

Explain your response to me in post 233 then.

If you are a stats guy then you understand the general principal of stats being meaningless unless you have a large pool of context to judge from. Evil has existed in no more than 3 games and has posted minimally in all of them. Meaning he's likely to have a first time for a lot of things.

Your stats are also ignoring the data you don't want to look at in exchange for the ones you do want to look at. Your only argument is that he did one minor thing new (including verbiage of obvious subtext), when in the past I have proven that he uses the verbiage of "We" as town, uses omgus logic as he did with disc in pokemon, and has been consistently mislynched in every game he's in. There's more data indicating he is more likely to flip town here, but you ignore that in favor of a minor data point that allows you to justify lynhing him...

You are constantly barely equivilating any read on him as barely more than a null read lol.

I mean you weren't sayig the vote was because I was an asshole though originally.

You were trying to justify it to wylted as an OMGUS vote. You are changing the story now because you are being called out on it.

It just proves my point that I mistyped earlier. Even in that post I was talking about Fast Food context meaning both as scum.

Then what’s the behavioral mechanism to find out if he’s scum then. Unless you present a different option we have to go with what we have. Many times the data is low what it’s all we got in a situation. Error is high but when is it not in behavioral situations?

The use of we(town) diverges. And the OMGUS is a null tell. The data you mentioned is a divergence and a null tell. Where’s the town aspects. 

I didn’t say that explicitly but I pointed out why you were being an asshole for immediately tunneling me.

Ya I did but you were being an asshole. Is that reason to lynch you though lol

If Evil’s not gonna take the effort to do anything and even if you believe he’s town here, sooner or later you’re going to be wrong. If he’s not going to change how he plays after being mislynched 3 times then, how is it our fault that he keeps getting mislynched.

People like Evil who don’t learn from their mistakes are screwing others over in the process. And it’s also a pet peeve of mine.