We might be able to VTNL.
Pokémon Indigo League Mafia - DP 4
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A part of me assumes Disc is town. Pie was trying really hard to lynch Disc and I doubt he'd gain much town cred for it.
Honestly on the fence. I think it was last DP but I mentioned how its odd that there is a miller and a GF in the same game.
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@Earth
Up to you now. You can either hammer or we can VTNL.
Alternatively you could try to convince Oro that I am scum and change the lynch to me, would be really hard to do the opposite though. I firmly believe Oromagi is town.
With how votes are going now though you are the deciding factor. Do we no lynch, lynch me, or lynch whiteflame? Those are the only three realistic options and all three require your support so like I said... it is up to you.
Where art thou Whiteflame?
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@Earth
Just about to board my flight back home, actually. Was just writing out thoughts.
A part of me assumes Disc is town. Pie was trying really hard to lynch Disc and I doubt he'd gain much town cred for it.
It wouldn’t be the first time I’ve seen Pie bus his partner just to get attention off of himself, and if it makes you townread Disc, then it served a dual purpose. Also, note that Wylted was pushing this lynch after he was town confirmed.
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@Earth
But as far as I’m concerned, the NL should be a no brainer. No matter how convinced you are that someone is scum, taking an extra DP to get better POE at basically no cost should be obvious. I don’t think you should lynch Disc now.
Also, note that Wylted was pushing this lynch after he was town confirmed.
Townies are allowed to be wrong. Pie, on the other hand, we know Pie was mafia meaning unlike Wylted he knew everyone's affiliation and was able to base his behavior off of that knowledge.
I think its Disc. Maybe Mafia Disc saw that Pie is Godfather and claimed Miller. His justification isn't that good and Mewtwo would work with a Mafia Giovanni.
Vtl Discipulus_Didicit
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@oromagi
Okay, up to you then. We either lynch me or VTNL.
unvote VTNL
unvote VTNL
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@oromagi
I feel like the issues here are relatively obvious, especially given the connection between the characters of Mewtwo and Giovanni that Evil initially mentioned in the last DP. But I'd also say that you shouldn't just take my word for it. There may only be four of us left alive, but we have the reads of dead townies as well, and Luna's read in DP1 was right on the money with Pie. Wylted made the call on Disc during the last DP, and he was conveniently removed during the NP afterward.
However, if you are uncertain, the NL still makes nothing but sense to me.
Alright let's just NL.
Unvote
VTNL
Well, I wanted to hear from Oro on this, but he’s been on a few times and hasn’t responded. Hopefully we’ll hear from him in the next DP.
VTNL
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@Earth
I can't believe you would still suspect Disc. Here is a compilation of all the times Pie tried to get Disc lynched this game. A huge amount of this is trying to convince YOU that Disc is scum. You now know that Pie was scum when he was feeding you these lies. Why would Pie be so destructive to his scum partner?
DP1:
#32
Aight we’ll policy lynch Disc if there’s no other alternative
#56
A policy lynch on Disc assuming no alternatives is the best position here. Mods do give Miller as a fake claim. Don’t know if Poly would but better safe than sorry. His role has no use to us anyways + it helps POE and doesn’t create a headache at MYLO or LYLO like Wylted said.
#70
as long as it’s before MYLO/LYLO
#74
t he’s a viable policy lynch just so we don’t have headaches later on
#81
If you have claims like Miller and PGO, you should claim immediately.
#133
I’m pressuring as a policy.
#158
We have two claims worth pursuing right now in the Miller and Enabler.
(Long battle with Lunatic over mass claiming. Let's note that Disc had already claimed while Whiteflame had not claimed)
#161
Pie and whiteflame budy up on anti mass claim
#168
Mods use [MILLER] as a fake claim or don’t use it at all is the point.
#202
#213
FOS Disc, Whiteflame leans TOWN
#216
Hopes SCUM will redirect vigilante onto MILLER
#276
Wait so Mewtwo isn’t in the TV show at all?
#312
policy lynch MILLER
#318
asks for justification
#331
If I’m scum then you surely must think Disc must be scum. If having a Pokémon as a character is scummy then you should be equally suspicious of Disc.
#370
Why do you scumread Disc?
#472
If I am scum then by your theory Disc has to be scum so don’t really get this.
DP2:
#71
Disc is not in my opinion. Miller claims are still inherently sus in my opinion.
#78
Fake claims ROLE under pressure from Disc.
#103
Pie's ONLY scum read is Disc
#106
See, I don’t really believe you are the Miller, I think you’re scum.
#107
Miller claims being inherently scummy. Also you haven’t said once who my scum partner would be.
#111
VTL Disc
#129
If a Vig did exist I’d be surprised why the Miller wasn’t targeted last night.
#143
I honestly want to lynch him now to avoid the headache tomorrow.
#187
one of the claimed roles has scum: Disc, Wylted, Earth
#190
Gary Oak is odd, I feel like he’d make a better Miller than MeeTwo
Narrator does practically nothing so he makes more sense.
Whiteflame has played to his meta
#208
With Disc, his justification is Mewtwo is bad
#217
I’ve been on Disc from the start because of the Miller claim. It’s fairly easy for scum to claim Miller if they don’t have a GF, Lawyer, or Framer on their side.
#221
I definitely agree that Gary would be a better Miller claim. I said it earlier in the DP too, which makes me suspicious of Disc’s claim even more.
It’s possible the theme would be good vs evil and Disc + Evil are scum. Mewtwo could easily be a vanilla compared to Gary,
#224
Agreed. I still think Disc is the optimal lynch today.
#236
Just because a Cop exists doesn’t mean a Miller has to exist. If scum don’t have a GF, Lawyer, Framer, they can accurately fake claim Miller with very good odds.
I also think my utility is much much more than Disc.
#240
Let’s lynch Disc
#257
he’s scum. I’ll outline the reasons. He claims he’s the Miller as MeeTwo when Gary Oak would fit that much better with the same justification and being a character in the show. Mewtwo doesn’t appear at all in the show; rather, he appears in the movie, which is unique to him and only him. Disc also knows a lot about the theme so a fake claim like that is within his realm. Scum, if they don’t have a GF, Lawyer, or Framer can easily claim Miller even if there’s a Cop. I don’t want to deal with a Miller are MYLO and I’d say no one wants to either. Last reason is in the off chance Disc flips town it means Pokémon do exist in the game and my claim is strengthened a bit. On the contrary if Disc flips scum I’ll be on the chopping block which is fine with me since we’d still have one more mislynch available to help with POE
#258
I’ve outlined the reasons why Disc is a good option today
#259
Either way Disc is the optimal lynch.
#268
Evil’s own justification makes him a better Miller than Disc.
you have to run under the assumption that if I’m scum, Disc has to be scum too cause we’re Pokémon
#278
Disc is still viable. I just have to convince Whiteflame and once Whiteflame flips, Oro. The reasoning Supa and Earth have put, you have to admit are horrible compared to the reasoning I’ve put out there. I’m like 90% sure this game is solved based on Disc’s flip. If Disc flips scum, the last scum is in Evil, Oro, Whiteflame, likely Evil because Mewtwo and Gary were both evil If Disc flips town then POE is rather simple. You can confirm yourself DP4 cause we No Lynch DP3 cause MYLO. I’m somewhat confirmed cause Pokemon can exist. Supa is town. Earth is town cause protective role. This leaves Oro, WF, Evil with 2/3 being scum. In this scenario an Oro/WF or WF/Evil scenario is most likely. Either way we lynch WF
#289
you have completely disregarded Disc’s character who isn’t even in the show, rather the movie. You’ve also disregarded that fact that Gary Oak would be a far better Miller claim than MewTwo.n If you think I’m scum, then you have to admit that Disc is scum as well just because of the Pokémon claims themselves. Our lynches are equal in this statement but there’s one thing that elevates me - my claim. Miller vs Bomb.
#291
Cmon man, a Miller is way more suspect.
#297
If a Cop exists, a Miller doesn’t have to exist.
#298
The PRO/CON list is significantly better for a Disc lynch than mine
#303
-->@Earth Can you please explain why you sus me over Disc? Cause Disc would have the exact same reasons. Just look at my claim for example. Fine you don’t believe it. But look at Disc’s his is even worse than mine. First he’s not even in the show. Second there are other characters like Gary Oak that make much more sense than Mewtwo as Miller.
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@Earth
To believe that Disc is SCUM you have to believe that Pie invested 90% of his energy in this game into getting his scum partner killed.
You have to see that Whiteflame is obv scum here.
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@Earth
Nolynch buys TOWN nothing. Whiteflame will simply lynch me and then work to persuade you some more.
Pie stated early in this game that your meta is default anti-TOWN. Now is your chance to prove Pie wrong.
Lynch Whiteflame
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@oromagi
alright that makes sense. Hammer already happened but w/e
I am driving to Telluride tomorrow. Internet will be sketchy to nil for a week. I hope either way there's no need for me tomorrow.
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@Earth
-->@oromagialright that makes sense. Hammer already happened but w/e
That's Okay. If you want TOWN to win, just VTL Whiteflame at the top of DP5 and stand your ground.
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@Earth
@oromagi
Hammer already happened but w/e
I am pretty sure this is incorrect. DP is still up.
NVM I am dumb
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@Polyglot
DP not still up I was wrong
Pretty sure I hammered and Poly’s simply not on to verify. Don’t think any of us have roles that would otherwise prevent an end to the DP.
But, since we’re still posting after the DP should have ended, I’ll address what Oro said.
Pushing a lynch that was never going to happen and would be instantaneously seen as scummy after Pie flipped seems like a Pie move to me. He doubled and tripled down on the bussing, knowing that it would result in either a NL from the split vote or a lynch on Pie, which would validate Disc. Simply posting all the instances that showed he sussed Disc doesn’t make Disc confirmed town. Moreover, if we’re talking about energy, Pie focused much more of his effort being defensive about his role and engaging heavily with Luna in DP1. Pie was rather exhaustive with his posting and sussed me as well during DP2.
As for lynching you, Oro, I’m clearly not pursuing that. If anything, I’m clearly townreading you at this stage.
Besides all that, Oro didn’t respond to a single thing I said above when I got a chance to post. The no lynch will clearly reduce the potential scum pool. Earth, if that leads you to vote me should we still be alive, so be it, but you didn’t lose anything by backing the VTNL. Oro doesn’t address any of my points about what makes Disc sus, many of which mirror his reasoning for sussing Pie, and provides no new reasons for sussing me. He’s had it wrong numerous times in this game, and he wants to ignore the input of Wylted and Evil, both of whom were town and sussed Disc.
Scum will definitely leave me alive; I’m an easy target for the lynch in the next DP. And I’m sure I’ll be lynched, regardless of the case I’ve made. Still, I’m doing my best to ensure a town win. Take it or leave it.
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@whiteflame
Moreover, if we’re talking about energy, Pie focused much more of his effort being defensive about his role and engaging heavily with Luna in DP1.
I just picked through all of DP1 and DP2 and can state unequivocally that Pie's number one mission this game was to get Disc lynched.
I understand that you have to NK me now. I hope Earth will ignore you in DP5 and just go straight to the lynch but if you do pull off a SCUM win here, it was well deserved.
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@oromagi
I don’t disagree that Pie focused on Disc, just that the purpose of doing so was to achieve a lynch. I’ll note that Disc was never all that close to getting lynched.
Kind of flattered that you think this is my scum play. Honestly don’t think I’ve done that great of a job as scum in the past.
I mean, I guess it might be oro.
Kinda doubt it though.
Official Vote Count
Whiteflame (1/3) - Oromagi
VTNL (3/3) - Discipulus_Didicit, Earth, Whiteflame
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