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@ILikePie5
But you said it goes for ALL LETHAL actions. If a vig where to exist in this game, you're saying it wouldn't kill you? That seems too OP
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Busy day, but I have a free moment to give some thoughts.
To start, I do think it's odd that Charizard is the one with explosion, especially when there are Pokémon that actively learn the move in the games (Voltorb was already mentioned, its evolutionary form Electrode, Koffing and Weezing come to mind). If we're looking at those, though, Koffing/Weezing is James's Pokémon (he's in Team Rocket) and Voltorb/Electrode are incredibly minor - I don't recall them being used by any of the central cast at any time. So it's not particularly strange that those weren't chosen for this role.
What makes it stand out to me is actually what gives the role some standing - the fact that it's either odd or even night. Charizard is prone to refusing to fight when he feels like it, though that changes when he's faced with an opponent he's interested in fighting (say, Magmar). And given the fact that he's a fire type, the bomb isn't too far off the mark. It's not a perfect fit, but that odd/even facet stands out to me when compared with the Mewtwo claim. Assuming that that one is real, him being the Miller only makes sense based on his attitude shifting within the series. I'd expect Charizard's role to represent his attitude as well, and I don't think Pie would know enough about Charizard to make this kind of claim up himself. Maybe he has a scum partner who helped him figure it out, but this makes it more difficult for me to dismiss the character claim as just being based on a search for the most popular Pokémon. Either he's thought it out more than that, or Poly came up with a pretty solid role for the character. I can't say I'm on either side of that fence right now, but it is making me question whether my initial read on his character claim is correct.
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@Vader
But you said it goes for ALL LETHAL actions. If a vig where to exist in this game, you're saying it wouldn't kill you? That seems too OP
I never said a Vigilante wouldn’t kill me and him. But that’s besides the point. What makes you think a Vigilante even exists.
If my role were every night it would be insanely OP, but I’m flavored and the flavoring in a way makes it even more weaker if you think hard about it.
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@Vader
1. It justifies the fact why he wouldn't die in the NP2. It is OP as hell for town to have a role preventing NP actions3. There's no way to prove he isn't lying if we see someone visit him now that my tracker doesn't work
I'm not certain how Poly would balance this game, since this is his first time doing it, but some of these look a little off to me. I agree that the first is true (in that he likely wouldn't be the target of the NK and this would be a decent excuse). On the second, the bomb is responsive to the NK, not all night actions. It makes sense from where I'm sitting as a response to the Strongman, if only to make Mafia think twice about their targets. The third is basically true of everyone here who cannot independently verify their roles.
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@ILikePie5
It's a skepticism. I said so all lethal actions were to kill you and you said yes. That means in theory, if a vig where to exist, it would die. You then stated that
It’s only scum NKs. And if you reread, you can see why I was so against mass claiming. Keeping my role quiet does more than claiming it outright.
But when ask if it is all lethal actions, you said yes. In theory, all lethal actions means a Vig where to shoot you, they'd die as well. You are contradicting yourself in these statements.
You said "It's only scum NKs."
How do you not know there's not a vig, you are taking back what you said earlier
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@whiteflame
I meant NK for the second. I apologize as such. I asked Poly about if a Strongman would bypass the Bomb to clarify. Still Pie is being inconsistent with his claims
VTL Pie
Pie keeps contradicting himself and after reviewing is role and such, I think Pie is scum.
Also I don't know fi Poly has modded, so I don't wanna use balance and all into this, but a Bomb that is only for lethal actions seems OP as hell for town, especially with 3x Cop, Tracker, Doctor. Balance just seems off and his claim is pretty iffy at best
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@Vader
It's a skepticism. I said so all lethal actions were to kill you and you said yes. That means in theory, if a vig where to exist, it would die. You then stated that
Yes I did. And I stated the latter because I have no reason to believe a Vigilante exists in this game especially after last night’s events.
How do you not know there's not a vig, you are taking back what you said earlier
I don’t know 100% but balance wise it doesn’t make sense 95% of the time. I’m not taking anything back. I was running under the assumption a Vig doesn’t exist. If a Vig did exist I’d be surprised why the Miller wasn’t targeted last night. Hell I’d be surprised why he didn’t shoot at all.
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@Vader
VTL PiePie keeps contradicting himself and after reviewing is role and such, I think Pie is scum.
There’s no “contradiction.”
My role states if killed at night you will kill your attacker.
A.) Vigilante would make the balance even worse
B.) If you want to be technical my role has a singular. Could be a mistake but I have little reason to suspect a Vigilante.
If anything scum have a reason to be fearful of a Vigilante, not a townie.
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@Vader
Also I don't know fi Poly has modded, so I don't wanna use balance and all into this, but a Bomb that is only for lethal actions seems OP as hell for town, especially with 3x Cop, Tracker, Doctor. Balance just seems off and his claim is pretty iffy at best
That’s how Bombs work. What you are describing is a PGO who kills everyone that visits him. That’s not my role.
Also you are neglecting the flavoring of my role. I reallly don’t want to reveal it cause it helps mafia but use your brain and you’ll see which it is and why it fits the balance.
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@ILikePie5
Running the assumption isn't smart. So you are EVERY LETHAL NK. Ok.
I actually think there's more likely to be a Vig in this game. That role seems tends to be a Negative Utility to it when it's only visits and is usually an SoP. The way you are claiming it seems to be that it's only for Lethal Actions, which if there is no Vig, that means Scum can't target you. Doesn't that seems relatively overpowered. An essentially 1x Vig of a Scum Member in exchange for yourself. It seems heavily OP IMO and more a town utility. To balance it out, I would think there is a Vigilante in this game to make it more balance (though I can't say for sure). This isn't the typical role of a Bomb, so I do have my skepticism about it. This is either a town favored balance or you are lying and the latter seems the most reasonable ATM
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@ILikePie5
Well a Mega Bomb does it for all NK's on you, Bomb is just one. That doesn't necessarily means much in the long run
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@Vader
Running the assumption isn't smart. So you are EVERY LETHAL NK. Ok.
What makes you believe there’s a Vigilante in the game?
I actually think there's more likely to be a Vig in this game. That role seems tends to be a Negative Utility to it when it's only visits and is usually an SoP. The way you are claiming it seems to be that it's only for Lethal Actions, which if there is no Vig, that means Scum can't target you. Doesn't that seems relatively overpowered.
Scum theoretically can target me. If they’re smart enough they already know whether I’m Odd or Even and will act as such. And again, you’re running on an informed perspective.
An essentially 1x Vig of a Scum Member in exchange for yourself. It seems heavily OP IMO and more a town utility. To balance it out, I would think there is a Vigilante in this game to make it more balance (though I can't say for sure). This isn't the typical role of a Bomb, so I do have my skepticism about it.
Well we can ask the town then. I don’t think it’s needed at all. And it is the typical Bomb role. You’re thinking of a PGO which kills on ALL visits.
This is either a town favored balance or you are lying and the latter seems the most reasonable ATM
Your analysis is full of flaws that I’m trying to help you realize. Namely that you think my role functions as the PGO when it isn’t.
And the fact you believe a Vig should exist in this game when there’s no reason to believe it does.
I’m Vanilla
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@Vader
Well a Mega Bomb does it for all NK's on you, Bomb is just one. That doesn't necessarily means much in the long run
I’ve never seen a Mega Bomb. What’s that and how’s it different from a Bomb.
I mean if a Vig exists and they and scum NK me we’d have to ask priority cause it says attacker, unless it’s a typo. I’ll ask Poly to confirm.
At this point I doubt scum target me though. Lunatic’s foolery brought this. He wouldn’t have been targeted if he had kept his mouth shut and played the meta - a meta that works mind you.
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@whiteflame
Voltorb was already mentioned, its evolutionary form Electrode, Koffing and Weezing come to mind
Also magnemite and magnetron.
I forgot about Koffing though, good point. Wasn't that James's main Pokémon? Hmmm... with pie complaining that no main characters fit bomb better than Charizard. Interesting.
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@ILikePie5
Wait, I just re-read your justification. Your PM specifically mentions your pokemon being fire type?
Disc is not town confirmed, and should be in everyone's scum pool
Wait, I just re-read your justification. Your PM specifically mentions your pokemon being fire type?
Ya it mentions it right before my role and affiliation statement. Poly uses a specific word to describe Charizard but I paraphrased it to avoid the Copy Paste
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Meant to ping you
Poly is new to mafia and all the roles he created this game, are duplicates to ones he saw before in the games he played. Pie is scum and lying about his role
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@Wylted
Disc is not town confirmed, and should be in everyone's scum pool
I honestly want to lynch him now to avoid the headache tomorrow.
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@Wylted
Poly is new to mafia and all the roles he created this game, are duplicates to ones he saw before in the games he played. Pie is scum and lying about his role
Poly is not new to mafia. He was on DDO back in the day.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Also magnemite and magnetron.I forgot about Koffing though, good point. Wasn't that James's main Pokémon? Hmmm... with pie complaining that no main characters fit bomb better than Charizard. Interesting.
Ah yes, forgot about those two.
Was honestly just thinking of other ball-esque Pokemon and remembered that Koffing and Weezing could be a pain in the ass. That is an interesting point, though I've never seen a scum Bomb. Never seen this variation of the Enabler, either.
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@Wylted
I’ll find the post for you gimme a sec
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@ILikePie5
Ya it mentions it right before my role and affiliation statement. Poly uses a specific word to describe Charizard but I paraphrased it to avoid the Copy Paste
My PM (the only other pokemon claim) says nothing about my pokemon type.
What is this "specific word" you speak of?
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@ILikePie5
all the roles seem like exact duplicates of recent games, even enabler which is rare. Has a bomb been in a game lately?
What supa said about balance earlier we should pay attention to also. I can already tell the game is balanced in town's favor.
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@Wylted
What supa said about balance earlier we should pay attention to also. I can already tell the game is balanced in town's favor.
Depends on the roles left.
Plus we haven’t considered flavors. Luna was a 3x Cop. Supa hasn’t said if he was flavored and neither has Earth. I’m flavored so I assume they were.
Also it’s possible Luna could’ve been a Paranoid, Naive, etc