Pokémon Indigo League Mafia - DP 2

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Justification
It says I am a Fire Type Pokémon that is super passive at times and doesn’t listen to Ash’s commands. But at other times, I am extremely aggressive and annihilate my opponents.

Paraphrased.

Are we really going to say that Charizard fits the bomb role perfectly when there are literally pokemon that blow themselves up ad an attack?
I mean it has to be one of the main Pokemon. Which is why Charizard is up there with Pikachu. Idk any other Pokémon lol
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Is bomb just for lethal actions
Correct. It’s flavored, but I won’t reveal which one without a very very good reason.
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My tracker and bomb would make sense for mafia to have a ninja now
Ninjas are not immune to bombs.
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I mean it has to be one of the main Pokemon.
Says who?
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I will have to think of this further but right now I am just picturing the mod setting up this game and wanting a bomb role then thinking to themselves "what pokemon fits the role of bomb really well?" and somehow NOT choosing a pokemon that is an actual bomb, of which I can think of several just in the 1st generation.

It's a weird picture.
If he wanted to look at main characters which is literally what he did based on claims, then Charizard makes sense imo. Unless there’s a main character besides Charizard that fits better. Idk
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Says who?
After putting all the major characters, you think Poly is gonna put a very minor Pokemon in the game when Charizard fits pretty well?
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Maybe Mafia has a ninja to kill bomb.
Ninjas don’t have anything to do with Bombs to my knowledge. Ninjas just don’t get seen in Tracker/Watcher/Voyeur/Motion Detector reportd
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Pie's claim is interesting because it's not like his role is everything and is only lethal actions. I've also seen him do this trick with scum guessing when I was scum saying that scum will regret killing him, it makes me lean more town to him, but he is still slightly scum
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Y’all are Pokémon experts. Is there a main Pokémon that fits Bomb better than Charizard?
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Pie's claim is interesting because it's not like his role is everything and is only lethal actions. I've also seen him do this trick with scum guessing when I was scum saying that scum will regret killing him, it makes me lean more town to him, but he is still slightly scum
In terms of balance it sort of evens out the loss of a Tracker via Enabler or loss of another Power Role. The flavor makes my role not as OP, but at the same time causes mafia paranoia.
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I recall ninjas being able to kill bombs in EM.
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I recall ninjas being able to kill bombs in EM.
Don’t really know what that is but here’s a description of what Ninjas do:

“A Ninja is a player who can perform actions that cannot be seen by a Tracker, Watcher, or similar role.”
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Reads:

Town: 

Pie
Earth
Supa

Lean Town:

Whiteflame
Wylted

Null:

Oro
Evil

Lean Scum:

Disc

I think scum are out of the Null and Lean Scum categories.
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If he wanted to look at main characters which is literally what he did based on claims, then Charizard makes sense imo. Unless there’s a main character besides Charizard that fits better. Idk
You know I don't put too much stock in theme analysis but if I did I would point out that all the other claims were humans except for the miller whose job is to look scummy.

What I mean is "look at what others claimed" is not a good tactical move on your part at the moment.
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Lean Scum:

Disc
OMGUS or actual read?
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You know I don't put too much stock in theme analysis but if I did I would point out that all the other claims were humans except for the miller whose job is to look scummy.
See, I don’t really believe you are the Miller, I think you’re scum.

What I mean is "look at what others claimed" is not a good tactical move on your part at the moment.
But your description just says you were bad then good. What does that have to do with you being a Pokémon?
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OMGUS or actual read?
Actual read. Miller claims being inherently scummy. Also you haven’t said once who my scum partner would be.

Your assumption is Pokémon v Town, but you’re the only other claimed Pokémon. As scum I wouldn’t know if the theme were Pokémon v Town, so why would I claim a Pokémon 
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Okay can someone give a brief explanation of why ppl are talking about ninjas all of a sudden? Preferably one that ends in "this helps town because______".

Just seems to have come out of nowhere and I am genuinely confused.
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Unvote for now. 
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Whats the harm? If Ninjas could safely kill bombs then we should at least think about the existence of a Ninja if we had a tracker.
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I want to lynch Disc but I’d also be open to lynching Evil or Oro depending on their claims.

VTL Disc for now
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Whats the harm? If Ninjas could safely kill bombs then we should at least think about the existence of a Ninja if we had a tracker.
They can’t though. It’s not in their role description.
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Your assumption is Pokémon v Town
Not arguing because I don't want to give you the opportunity to start a multi-page back-and-forth to screw with town like with you and lunatic last DP,

I will clarify however for the benefit of any townies reading this that I do not have any solid theories about theme split right now. My post a few posts ago was not meant as a pro-"pkmn vs human theory" post, it was meant as an anti-"everyone has gotta be main characters cuz reasons theory" post.
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Whats the harm? 
No harm that I can tell, like I said just genuinely confused on what got ppl started on talking about ninjas.
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Not arguing because I don't want to give you the opportunity to start a multi-page back-and-forth to screw with town like with you and lunatic last DP,

I will clarify however for the benefit of any townies reading this that I do not have any solid theories about theme split right now. My post a few posts ago was not meant as a pro-"pkmn vs human theory" post, it was meant as an anti-"everyone has gotta be main characters cuz reasons theory" post.
I will briefly respond that I as a mod take into consideration outlandish and outlier claims for town unless they are purposefully done. Could my claim be purposefully done? Idk. But with the balance at the end of the day, I believe my role makes sense. Characters don’t mean as much as roles and balance.
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I know, its just that I remember EM ninjas killing bombs. It doesn't help that Bombs aren't common in DART mafia meta. Or at least I don't remember.
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What are your thoughts on Oro?
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Alright I'm at lunch and I had some time to think about Pie's claim and now I'm not really liking it

1. It justifies the fact why he wouldn't die in the NP
2. It is OP as hell for town to have a role preventing NP actions 
3. There's no way to prove he isn't lying if we see someone visit him now that my tracker doesn't work


Balance wise we had

3x Cop
Doctor
Tracker
Enabler
Miller
Bomb
______
______
______
vs.

Mafia

Mafia either have a RB or a Strongman, where Strongarm can't counter a Bomb (don't quote me though)

This would be almost impossible to balance properly. I think Pie is scummy asf, but I want to wait for oromagi to claim
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Here are my reads. No one is confirmed town

Lean Town
Disc

Slight Town
Wylted
Evilgenius

Null
Earth

FOS
Whiteflame

Slight Scum
oromagi

Lean Scum
Pie


Pie is strongest scum read at the moment
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Alright I'm at lunch and I had some time to think about Pie's claim and now I'm not really liking it

1. It justifies the fact why he wouldn't die in the NP
I can still die in the night.

2. It is OP as hell for town to have a role preventing NP actions 
It’s only scum NKs. And if you reread, you can see why I was so against mass claiming. Keeping my role quiet does more than claiming it outright.

3. There's no way to prove he isn't lying if we see someone visit him now that my tracker doesn't work
There’s no way to prove anyone at this stage in the game. It all relies on behavior.

Mafia

Mafia either have a RB or a Strongman, where Strongarm can't counter a Bomb (don't quote me though)
I’ve already asked Poly whether a Strongman can get through my role. It’s also possible they have a JOAT, where both Strongarm and RB are in it.

This would be almost impossible to balance properly. I think Pie is scummy asf, but I want to wait for oromagi to claim
If everyone else claims Vanilla I can see it happening.

Also we’re looking at this from an informed perspective because of the mass claim. If you look at it uninformed especially with my flavor you can see that Enabler makes it weak for Tracker. Cops and Doctors are susceptible to RBs/Strongarms. A flavored Bomb makes it 50/50 for mafia though if you look at balance with my actual flavor it makes more sense.