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@ILikePie5
scum team have no reason to let that reveal happen. Docgor is probably dead np2, and I will die np3
Pokémon Indigo League Mafia - DP 2
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@Wylted
scum team have no reason to let that reveal happen. Docgor is probably dead np2, and I will die np3
So you want to get lynched?
If you’re telling the truth, you’re a valuable asset for us cause right now scum have 3 good targets if you’re telling the truth: You, Earth, and Supa
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@ILikePie5
I would prefer not to get lynched
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@ILikePie5
Actually, you haven’t posted a justification yet either have you? I’d like to hear it please.I think at least some justification analysis ought to be done. With Disc, his justification is Mewtwo is bad and then becomes good which fits a Miller description. Luna and Bron had good justifications. Looking for patterns is important.
My justification is that is I am in every city healing pokemon, but only Pokemon. I am going to be irritated if I am flavored to only heal pokemon. I disagree with the Mewtwo thing. It would not make sense if there is a "Villains mafia" theme where villians are town and good guys the mafia. Depending on what the theme is, whether or not Mewtwo learns what friendship is from Ash is pointless because the theme could be something completely unrelated to the fact that Mewtwo is evil or not.
Catching up on this. Will post in a bit.
Townreads
Whiteflame
Supas
Wylted
Null
Evil/Disc
Pie
Scum
Topmost is town, bottom mafia. Not sure if Disc is town or not.
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@Earth
My justification is that is I am in every city healing pokemon, but only Pokemon. I am going to be irritated if I am flavored to only heal pokemon.
Thank You.
I disagree with the Mewtwo thing. It would not make sense if there is a "Villains mafia" theme where villians are town and good guys the mafia. Depending on what the theme is, whether or not Mewtwo learns what friendship is from Ash is pointless because the theme could be something completely unrelated to the fact that Mewtwo is evil or not.
I’ve been on Disc from the start because of the Miller claim. It’s fairly easy for scum to claim Miller if they don’t have a GF, Lawyer, or Framer on their side.
The justification I think you misinterpreted. It says that Mewtwo was bad then good meaning good would be town.
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@Earth
TownreadsWhiteflameSupas
Why is whiteflame above Supa?
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@ILikePie5
The justification I think you misinterpreted. It says that Mewtwo was bad then good meaning good would be town.
But that might not make sense. If Miller is "Seems to be like X (mafia), but isn't." then that implies the theme is Good vs evil, but that might not be the case. The theme could be anything. Gary would be a better miller pick. Maybe the theme is good vs evil and mafia is team rocket.
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@ILikePie5
Why is whiteflame above Supa?
He isn't. I just put up a reads list in haste.
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@Earth
But that might not make sense. If Miller is "Seems to be like X (mafia), but isn't." then that implies the theme is Good vs evil, but that might not be the case. The theme could be anything. Gary would be a better miller pick.
I definitely agree that Gary would be a better Miller claim. I said it earlier in the DP too, which makes me suspicious of Disc’s claim even more.
Maybe the theme is good vs evil and mafia is team rocket.
It’s possible the theme would be good vs evil and Disc + Evil are scum. Mewtwo could easily be a vanilla compared to Gary, with the latter being a protagonist in the show I think.
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@Earth
He isn't. I just put up a reads list in haste.
Just clarifying, cause you said bottom most is scum and top most is town.
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@ILikePie5
We also need to consider that mafia might be fakeclaiming their characters.
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@Earth
We also need to consider that mafia might be fakeclaiming their characters.
Agreed. I still think Disc is the optimal lynch today.
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@ILikePie5
I'll need to sleep on it.
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@Earth
I'll need to sleep on it.
We have a ton of time
At this point, I think we have enough information to make some clear calls.
I agree with Evil that there was likely at least one scum on the lynch in the last DP. Sussing me and Disc is appropriate, as is townreading Earth for reasons I stated earlier, but I don't understand why he's dismissing Oro and Pie from his scum watch pile. They seem like odd exclusions to me, and I'm not sure what logic he's using to narrow the scum pool down to two. I'd also like to see some analysis from him with regards to who he thinks are a scum team, rather than just analyzing these players as individuals. In general, though I'm still having trouble reading whether this behavior is scummy or just newbie, the OMGUS response to Disc stands out.
But we shouldn't just be focused on votes from the last DP. As I mentioned earlier, have 3 Vanilla claims, a DP4 Innocent Child and a Miller, all of which are functionally Vanilla at the moment. With the Enabler dead, we actually had another functional Vanilla with negative utility. That's 6 functional Vanillas up to DP4. I think that should stand out to everyone at the moment, even if we're under the assumption that there's a Mafia Goon in play. We've encountered scum with limited roles before (see the Fire Emblem mafia game), but they didn't include an RB and town didn't have two negative utility roles to boot. It's practically certain that at least one scum is hiding amongst this group of 5 surviving functional Vanillas. That doesn't mean that we should write off Pie, given that his claim is still a standout, but the limited utility of town does leave me less clear about a Pie lynch than I was earlier.
And it's not just the role claims. Wylted and Oro have justifications that barely link up with their roles. I suspect Evil will join this crowd, though he has so far refused to give his justification despite multiple attempts to get it. Luna and Earth have obvious ones that didn't require explanation. Supa, Pie, Disc, Bron, and I have roles that range from fitting to decent matches. Poor or strange justifications shouldn't automatically lead us to sus someone, and I have actively sussed someone for having too perfect of a fit between role and character before (ended up being right during the FMA:B game), but I think it's worth considering these groups. I'd say it's most likely that both scum are in either the first group or the last.
I'm currently most sus of Pie and Disc. I still think their Pokémon claims stand out too much to ignore. If Evil remains intransigent when it comes to providing his claim, then I'll have to change my vote and reconsider a possible Oro/Evil pair. But for now, I'm sussing Pie just a bit more than I am Disc. I think that both his role and claim stand out as odd enough to set them apart, and given that we know there was a Cop, I think there's at least more reason to believe there is a Miller than that there is a Bomb.
VTL Pie
We do still have time in the DP and I want us to use it, but for now, I think Pie is the best pick.
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@Wylted
I don’t know what you are talking about..I didn’t block you or anybody
Official Vote Count
ILikePie5 (3/6) - Wylted, SupaDudz, Whiteflame
Discipulus_Didicit (2/6) - ILikePie5, Evilgenius
Wylted (1/6) - oromagi
Evilgenius (1/6) - Discipulus_Didicit
ILikePie5 (3/6) - Wylted, SupaDudz, Whiteflame
Discipulus_Didicit (2/6) - ILikePie5, Evilgenius
Wylted (1/6) - oromagi
Evilgenius (1/6) - Discipulus_Didicit
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@Evilgenius
ok.
it said I was blocked before. Could be site glitch
okay I like this wagon too
VtL disc
My justification is that im a worthy opponent to Ash but i rarely make an appearance during the indigo league
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@Wylted
What makes you think Disc over Pie? Still deciding between the two myself.
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@Evilgenius
My justification is that im a worthy opponent to Ash but i rarely make an appearance during the indigo league
Alright, that’s a better explanation than I expected, makes more sense than Oro’s or Wylted’s.
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@whiteflame
I'm currently most sus of Pie and Disc. I still think their Pokémon claims stand out too much to ignore. If Evil remains intransigent when it comes to providing his claim, then I'll have to change my vote and reconsider a possible Oro/Evil pair. But for now, I'm sussing Pie just a bit more than I am Disc. I think that both his role and claim stand out as odd enough to set them apart, and given that we know there was a Cop, I think there's at least more reason to believe there is a Miller than that there is a Bomb.VTL PieWe do still have time in the DP and I want us to use it, but for now, I think Pie is the best pick.
Just because a Cop exists doesn’t mean a Miller has to exist. If scum don’t have a GF, Lawyer, Framer, they can accurately fake claim Miller with very good odds.
I also think my utility is much much more than Disc. If Disc flips town, then we know Pokémon are fair game solidifying my character and role for POE purposes. If Disc flips scum then we will see his real character and role and then make a decision.
Official Vote Count
ILikePie5 (2/5) - SupaDudz, Whiteflame
Discipulus_Didicit (3/5) - ILikePie5, Evilgenius, Wylted
Wylted (1/5) - oromagi
Evilgenius (1/5) - Discipulus_Didicit
*Correcting previous vote counts. It takes 5 to Lynch, not 6.
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@Polyglot
You listed Wylted twice
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@ILikePie5
Fixed
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@oromagi
There’s no reason to lynch Wylted today because his affiliation will be revealed DP4.
Let’s lynch Disc