Pokémon Indigo League Mafia - DP 1

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so charizard stands out more because charizard doesn't show up until the last 9 eps of the season, stands out more than mewtwo who never shows up in any eps of the season.  How does that make sense?

What is the PM based reason for sus'ing Pie?

What cat is out of which bag, figuratively speaking?
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What does this refer to?
I suspect pie.

 I have a pm based reason to suspect the Charizard claim highly. 
explain.
If you really wanna make me do it I will, but there will be consequences. I do think if I reveal it could be enough to convince you pie is an outlier here. 

I'm not a Pokemon guy but from my perspective, Mewtwo stands out way more as the only non-season1 character and the only bad guy.  And narrator stands out as not really a character.    At least charizard is a character from season 1.

What makes you say that Charizard stands out?
Well he stands out for being a pokemon for one. If that pings your alarms at all just think about it for a second. The other thing is that Charizard doesn't even make un appearance until very late in the season, within the last 10 episodes. I think just about every character here claimed can qualify as getting more screen time than him outside of the narrator, who 100% has more voice time. MewTwo is only in the movie, yes but he still gets a lot of screen time and is of huge importance in the show as an antagonist who has a change of heart but justifiable reasons for thinking the way he does. TBH MewTwo is the perfect miller. 
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I got class till 4 but I’ll try to be on
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Going to lunch with my dad. Will be back in like an hour to an hour and a half. 
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TBH it just solidifies my town read on him. If disc were scum it would take an easy google search of pokemon indigo league characters to realize automatically that MewTwo is a bit of a stand out in this regard.
I don't have enough experience playing with him to recognize this. For now, I'll defer to your experience with him as a guide, though my suspicions remain.

Thoughts on the Charizard claim and how it stands out compared to the others? 
Can't say I'm seeing the problem. You're insinuating that there's something in your PM that suggests there's a problem here, but without seeing it, I don't know what that would be.

The character claim doesn't stand out as super odd to me, even on the basis that he was hyping it up a bit. Not knowing his role and having little idea of what it could be, I have a hard time understanding why hyping it up is out of place, though I don't even think that that was what he was doing. Saying that he would wait until 6 claims were made is arbitrary and maybe a bit of a delaying tactic, but for someone who was clearly frustrated with the mass claim and was initially saying he wouldn't claim at all, it doesn't stand out to me as particularly odd.

As for the claim being off... I don't know about that. First, since he existed in his unevolved forms for the vast majority of the series, as you indicated. The claim specifies Charizard, but that doesn't mean the other forms aren't a part of that character. Second, while I agree that Mewtwo was the main threat of the first movie, your point was that Charizard stands out based on the limited amount of time he spends in the series. Being a bigger threat doesn't change the fact that Mewtwo's existence in the series was far more limited. Third, we have other claims. Look at Gary Oak, who was in the series for quite some time but only appeared in a handful of episodes. Fourth, I can recall several instances from previous games where I tried to do exactly what you are doing, i.e. selecting characters based on how "main" they are within the series and determining their likelihood of being here based on that, only to be shown that many characters are selected on the basis that they better fit roles that the mod added to balance the game. This certainly wouldn't be the first time I have been surprised by what has been left out of a game and what was included in its place.

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I am officer Jenny. Dropped enough hints about this that I'm pretty sure mafia can pick it up by now.

So that's the pm based reason to suspect pie, because now he's the only non talking Pokémon in the game. Now do you think he stands out at all?

I still think MewTwo is more likely a character than Charizard based on importance in the show. But I'll drop that argument because I see a world where both could be scum here and pie setting up the pseudo push on the policy lynch for miller to separate themselves. He DID say that he was willing to lynch someone over the miller.

To be clear I am not saying I think pie and do are the scum team but I am open to it being a possibility. I am feeling pretty confident about pie though.

Why is everyone only responding to the theorizing about whether charizard is in the game part though and ignoring the part about why pie was going to wait to claim charizard until 6 votes until he immediately decided not too lol
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Gonna reread this DP after my class and dinner.
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I'm not big into Pokemon like I used to be so not too familiar with the Indigo league. I had a shit ton of cards, but never followed the shows. Charizard does seem fake though
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Like everyone knows Charizard
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Saying that he would wait until 6 claims were made is arbitrary and maybe a bit of a delaying tactic, but for someone who was clearly frustrated with the mass claim and was initially saying he wouldn't claim at all, it doesn't stand out to me as particularly odd.
This isn’t even true. I never said I wouldn’t claim. My position is and was that I wouldn’t claim without sufficient pressure as I explained to Lunatic.
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Just read that Luantic is actually Officer Joy. While this makes much more sense, I don't buy it fully. Everyone had claimed every since I claimed Ash, and it could be very much possible that Lunatic saw Officer Joy hadn't been claimed and decide to change his claim to put more pressure on Pie. Though I doubt this is the case, Luna is a good mafia player and wouldn't put it past him. Still this does put more pressure on Pie because of his original claim that I already wasn't fond of. This also means that Disc starts to lean scum a bit more
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I am officer Jenny. Dropped enough hints about this that I'm pretty sure mafia can pick it up by now.
Well if they didn’t thanks for telling them.

So that's the pm based reason to suspect pie, because now he's the only non talking Pokémon in the game. Now do you think he stands out at all?
Lets look at this: I was essentially the last person to claim cause it was blatantly obvious Supa was Ash. I could’ve selected practically any human besides Ash and Jenny and I would’ve been fine. You think I’m dumb?

I still think MewTwo is more likely a character than Charizard based on importance in the show. But I'll drop that argument because I see a world where both could be scum here and pie setting up the pseudo push on the policy lynch for miller to separate themselves. He DID say that he was willing to lynch someone over the miller.
That’s been my position for like the past 10 games…

To be clear I am not saying I think pie and do are the scum team but I am open to it being a possibility. I am feeling pretty confident about pie though.

Why is everyone only responding to the theorizing about whether charizard is in the game part though and ignoring the part about why pie was going to wait to claim charizard until 6 votes until he immediately decided not too lol
I said you needed 6 votes meaning 6 people to agree that a mass claim needs to happen for me to claim. Cause guess what happens when you get 6 people? I get lynched for not claiming cause there are 10 people in the game.
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Like everyone knows Charizard
I didn’t until I read my PM lol
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Just read that Luantic is actually Officer Joy. While this makes much more sense, I don't buy it fully. Everyone had claimed every since I claimed Ash, and it could be very much possible that Lunatic saw Officer Joy hadn't been claimed and decide to change his claim to put more pressure on Pie. Though I doubt this is the case, Luna is a good mafia player and wouldn't put it past him. Still this does put more pressure on Pie because of his original claim that I already wasn't fond of. This also means that Disc starts to lean scum a bit more
I don’t like the change either. As I’ve said. He’s clearly the Cop. He breaks his own fake claim to come out to wagon me when his own belief has been to fake claim so you don’t get revealed as Cop. I for one didn’t know he was the Cop and now he revealed it to everyone.
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If that was his intention, it was a failure to say the least lol.

Like I said, it's oddly suspicious, that's why I think scum is between either you or Lunatic. Do note you are still one of two people to claim Pokemons.


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Reads

Slight town - Wylted, oromagi
Null - anyone not listed
FOS - drlebronski, Disc
Lean scum - Lunatic, Pie
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If that was his intention, it was a failure to say the least lol.
The whole mass claim thing to me was scummy af.

Like I said, it's oddly suspicious, that's why I think scum is between either you or Lunatic. Do note you are still one of two people to claim Pokemons.
Yes I agree. Not much I can do there. My role I feel though makes sense with Charizard, and I doubt any human could fit it
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Did you ever give your justification?
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What’s your justification
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We can talk about how much Charzard and Mewtwo appears, but can we talk about how the Narrator never appears? If you want to look at Charzard and see he only shows up in the last 1/5 of the anime, well the Narrator shows up for 0/5. 
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We can talk about how much Charzard and Mewtwo appears, but can we talk about how the Narrator never appears? If you want to look at Charzard and see he only shows up in the last 1/5 of the anime, well the Narrator shows up for 0/5. 
So you think Luna is purposefully ignoring this (don’t really know if it’s true or not) and he’s scum partners with Whiteflame trying to get me lynched?

Interesting. See this is some good stuff. More posts like this would be so good coming from you.
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Just read that Luantic is actually Officer Joy. While this makes much more sense, I don't buy it fully. Everyone had claimed every since I claimed Ash, and it could be very much possible that Lunatic saw Officer Joy hadn't been claimed and decide to change his claim to put more pressure on Pie. Though I doubt this is the case, Luna is a good mafia player and wouldn't put it past him. Still this does put more pressure on Pie because of his original claim that I already wasn't fond of. This also means that Disc starts to lean scum a bit more
Supa first of all if its "Officer Jenny". You confusing Nurse Joy with Officer Joy. Earth is Nurse Joy. Secondly if you think I am fake claiming cop, then you have to think disc is the other scum, since cop and miller go together. 
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Are you trying to piss me off? Serious question. I don't FOS Lunatic.
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Are you trying to piss me off? Serious question. I don't FOS Lunatic.
No I’m being genuine…

Ok so you believe scum are me and WF then?
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I am officer Jenny. Dropped enough hints about this that I'm pretty sure mafia can pick it up by now.
Well if they didn’t thanks for telling them.

If you end up being scum and we lynch scum, I am okay with cop being out there. Hard to trust cop results anyway most of the time. Godfathers, lawyers, redirectors, etc etc, I honestly hate the cop role. I see way to many mislynches because of them. If you are scum I will feel okay with it. I think your Charizard claim stemmed from feeling it was safe because there was two other pokemon claims. 

Lets look at this: I was essentially the last person to claim cause it was blatantly obvious Supa was Ash. I could’ve selected practically any human besides Ash and Jenny and I would’ve been fine. You think I’m dumb?
Who else could you have claimed? Brock, Misty, and Ash are the main characters and all 2 were already claimed. Literally anything else would have been suspicious. You probably thought Charizard was safe because you believed my pikachu claim, which meant 3 pokemon and you not being an outlier.

That’s been my position for like the past 10 games…
Exactly, which gives you an out for not having to vote disc if he is your scum partner. Again, I don't think he is necessarily. Just saying. 

I said you needed 6 votes meaning 6 people to agree that a mass claim needs to happen for me to claim. Cause guess what happens when you get 6 people? I get lynched for not claiming cause there are 10 people in the game.
That's why I was getting pissed because  you were saying you needed to get mislynched basically before you would claim. Which you have done that bullshit where you require town to put you at l-1 before you will claim, you do it all the time and its fucking annoying. Then have the gall to turn around and blame town for not getting an earth lynch off in supas game lol. People like you stall the game. 
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So you think Luna is purposefully ignoring this (don’t really know if it’s true or not) and he’s scum partners with Whiteflame trying to get me lynched?

Interesting. See this is some good stuff. More posts like this would be so good coming from you.

This is a pretty desperate seeming manipulation and twisting of words pie. Even for you. 
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Thoughts?
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A lot of quiet people after the officer Jenny revelation. got home expecting posts from oro and whiteflame. 
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The Theme probably doesn't care how much someone appears. It could be a theme from a Star Wars Mafia game where the theme is man made structures vs planets or some shit. In that case Death Star 2 would be town even though its in the last half of the third film. Additionally millers should appear to be X, but aren't actually X. That's kinda how millers work. So if I modded a SW game, I could see myself adding the DS as a miller because its fucking huge and what Obi-Wan says in ANH.
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Can you go more into detail why your PM gave you reason to suspect Charzard?