The american soldiers were directed to do things like ignore afghan boys being raped by afghan soldiers. I wonder why the taliban didn't respect the afghan government.
biden is to blame for the fall of afghanistan
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@n8nrgmi
biden is to blame for the fall of afghanistanmany generals in the army said it would happen, and even before the operation to end that war was over, the country succumbed to the taliban. it was definitely predictable. now the taliban has all the resources and weopons and such that they seized.with that said, some people say if it was so easy for all this to happen, it was always a tenuous situation and we were just fighting an endless war to prop them up against something inevitable if we ever left. some say we also achieved our main objective, which was gettin those who were primarily responsible for 9 11.maybe the real test for if biden gets blame, is if any of those terrorists regroup and attack the usa.questions, comments, words of wisdom?
Your thesis seems to be that Biden is to blame for the fall of Afghanistan but then you didn't make any argument to that thesis. Can you explain why you think Biden is to blame for the fall of Afghanistan?
IMO if Trump did this the groups supporting and opposing the move would be reversed.
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@FLRW
another component is the ethnic makeup of afghanistan. To the pashtuns, the taliban are a better representation to them while tajiks, hazaris, etc would support the ANA.
also, leaders of the northern alliance, who were taliban resisters from 1996 to 2001, has met again in a citadel-https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2021/08/17/an-anti-taliban-front-forming-in-panjshir-ex-top-spy-saleh-son-of-lion-of-panjshir-meet-at-citadel.html
so it seems that the 43 years of continuous war will continue, only now it will revert back to the phase in the 90's
the US will no doubt try and prop up resistance but not get directly involved
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@zedvictor4
I think that's about as bad as the status quo. I think there are Russian mercenaries operating in libya. I wouldnt be surprised if Wagner starts employing some of them to start settling in Afghanistan. Regional warlords do need mercenaries in their battle for control. Perhaps these military groups will be a permanent thing in the middle east. After all, there are only wars in the middle east.
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@RationalMadman
I recently saw Biden's justification for leaving Afghanistan and I think Biden is right, counter-terrorism has evolved and there is no need to maintain an expensive permanent military presence. I think using the US as a scapegoat is a lazy way of overlooking crucial facts. The Taliban is a fundamentalist islamist group and they have more reason to hate the US than anyone. I'm not surprised that Pakistan shares some of these values, I think cheap jihadists are easier to maintain and control. All Pakistan has to do is one: point fingers at Israel and the West.
I think it's more likely that Afghanistan will turn into a religious dustbin despite their secular backgrounds. Most Muslim countries with secular backgrounds do tend to turn into an Islamic state. Afghanistan will just be another poorer Saudi Arabia. Well, I'm never going to the middle east, ever.
I think it's more likely that Afghanistan will turn into a religious dustbin despite their secular backgrounds. Most Muslim countries with secular backgrounds do tend to turn into an Islamic state. Afghanistan will just be another poorer Saudi Arabia. Well, I'm never going to the middle east, ever.
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@MarkWebberFan
Saudi is US's best buddy though, it's a different beast to most middle eastern nations geopolitically speaking.
I agree with the decision though, at this point it's a lose-lose scenario.
The lunatics can't be stopped, US looks like the villain either way and this wastes the least resources.
I for one welcome the brave Mujahideen warriors in liberating Afghanistan from the globohomo puppet government, and am grateful for Biden withdrawing.
Oh no think about the atrocities that the Taliban will do! They're cracking down on bacha bazi! Poor Afghan warlords won't be able to rape little boys. They're also denying women the right to be whores and create an onlyfans at the age of 18! The horror! And they won't allow little kids to become obese with a diet of McDonald's :((((
I mean think about the GDP, science, and LGBTQerinos!
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@bmdrocks21
how much does it really cost to maintain a precence though? we could have a few thousand soldiers, and that would prevent the country from becoming a playground for terrorists. i also dont think too many soldiers died per year. they knew killing americans was a recipe to get bitch smacked, so just us being there kept shit together. it isn't in our national security interest to leave... for biden to say that is an empty statement.
it all boils down to how much money and how many soldiers makes it worth it to prevent future 911 attacks? id think it's bound to happen, it's just a question of how often those things will happen. a few billion and a few soldiers a year, is a worthwhile sacrifice. but i dont know the exact numbers to weigh here, and i would think u dont either, so it's anyone's guess. it's clearly not clear that it's in our best interest to leave, though.... too many unknowns
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@n8nrgmi
It's about 14 billion for minimal military presence. I'd still consider that a lot, imo.
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@MarkWebberFan
i'm skeptical of the numbers people throw around. even if we leave, we are still paying the same amount of soldiers their salaries. we are still buying lots of weopons and equipment. there's a little extra we spend on healthcare when they are injured, and when we use those weopons and equipment. but just being there and maintaining order i would guess doesn't cost a lot extra... with emphasis on the extra part.
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@n8nrgmi
maybe the real test for if biden gets blame, is if any of those terrorists regroup and attack the usa.
9/11 was blow back
The United States is literally blowback proof, if they don't do things that contribute to blow back. This means a bias for inaction.