destitution mafia DP1

Idk I guess I am just noticing a difference between your town play here and in the last game, and you seem generally less than enthusiastic.

Everyone is the same role at least base don’t what everyone has said. It’s pretty much just a vanilla game

In regards to "Chris's reactions to pressure is scummy", I started that whole thing, so not going to dis-agree with you there. Also I feel like you are morphing your original argument a bit towards his defense when originally you dropped your vote on him it was solely for the tracker "parralel". It seems like you are doing this in a clever manipulative sort of way to double down on chris as well as to make it look like you were putting more effort into the game then you actually were at the time, as a post-justification. You didn't mention the stuff about chris's reaction to pressure until just now, after I have made that a pretty big point with him...

Everyone having the same role doesn't mean it's a vanilla game though. This basically gives you the power to decide a lynch at night as well, theres a lot more choice and responsibility with this concept.

If you think about it, since wylted is literally going to be telling us when death proofs are used, we can force all players to out there vig targets each day as a new form of building suspicions.

We can sus out why someone vigged so and so, and if we don't buy there reasons its something to FOS them for. And we can pretty much determine the mafia night kill targets by forcing this information out, which gives us town confirmation.

I think the longer the game goes on, you will see how OP this set up actually is for town if we use the information correctly.

Alright just got home from work. First of all, the line by line responses you made to me about the game being "all vanillas" are self refuted since your plan highlights the same general principle I am talking about with using the vig mechanics utility as a pseudo investigative means to solve the game.

Second, the last line of all this pretty important: ***This is Ofc assuming Mafia are also all 4x Deathproofs and each can perform the “NK”

We have no clue how the mafia mechanics work yet so complex plans like this have too many unknown variables.

Furthermore if you (or anyone else who suspects misterchris scum slipped) were to operate with this plan, you are basically admitting that the scum read on chris that started with the 4x vig thing was bogus, and if anything makes him look town.

I agree but we are assuming this with any plan. At least I have a plan. What’s yours?

Then what plan are you suggesting lol. Why should everyone say who they’re gonna target if you believe we’re gonna get fucked with either way - at which point only thing we have is behavior just like a vanilla game lol.

This doesn’t make any sense to me. I could care less about whether he said 4x Vig or 4x Deathproof at this point. I’m more scum reading him based on the reaction to pressure.

I came up with the "communicate your night kill" plan you just modified it. 

This was YOUR point bro I was bringing up the fact that I think it's weird you were literally just arguing that fuckery can happen yet make a plan that allows for the same fuckery. You are the naysayer here not me lol

You changed it mid-dayphase after I brought up the reaction to pressure and was FOSing you for not putting on your A game. You initially dropped the vote and explained very little behind it, making a vague parrallel between this game of his and another one.

You just started adding all this reaction stuff to your chris read lol.

Ok, but again, the plan doesn’t work if scum aren’t just like us. I don’t know why you brought it up

Fuckery can always happen lol. It’s mafia. But it’s astronomically better that your plan imo.

I don’t think it’s vague at all. It’s Chris’s scum play in action.

I added it separately after Supa said I wasn’t doing anything when I was lol. The entire time I was talking about the reaction to pressure from the parallel to the town is screwed part.

Why doesn't it work? It's not meant to be a solve all like yours is trying to be. 

Not if we don't know how the mafia roles work.

I mean I can understand why you wouldn't want to be convinced your actions are scummy or manipulative here. So I guess there is no point in discussing this point of logic with you if your answer is "its just obvious" lol

The "town is screwed" part was not mentioned by you when you voted initially.

The added layer of complexity while we don't know how the mafia's roles function is the problem with the plan. I specifically don't like this part: The other 3, Luna, WF, and Disc (as well as Chris if he’s actually town) waive tonight. If Chris doesn’t die, we know he’s scum and one of Me, Supa, Poly, and WF are confirmed scum. If there are 5 shots in the night then we know there’s scum in Luna, WF, and Disc

If you are mafia here and have inside information of what roles scum have and know you can commit some kind of fuckery here to implicate others based on this information then town will be set up for failure. We can execute stuff like this later in the game potentially with a mafia flip.

For now I think we should at least make sure people are communicating their intentions or are ready to defend them next day phase. Again I am not looking for this to break the game, because like you pointed out there is too much potential for mafia fuckery, I just want to use it as a tool to help scum hunt.