- He told his followers to hate their families.
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26
- He came to break apart families.
I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. Matthew 10:35-36
The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Luke 12:51-53
- He insisted that his followers love him more than anyone else (including their families).
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:37
- He encouraged people to abandon their home and family for his name's sake.
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. Matthew 19:29, Mark 10:29-30, Luke 18:29-30
- He was rude to his own family.
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! Matthew 12: 47-49, Mark 3:31-34, Luke 8:20-21
- He was dismissive of other people's feelings toward their families.
And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. Matthew 8:21-22, Luke 9:59-62
- He discouraged marriage.
They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage. Luke 20:35
- He was a hypocrite. He told his followers not to call anyone a fool.
Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:22
Yet he often called his critics and disciples fools. Ye fools and blind. Matthew 23:17, 19
Ye fools. Luke 11:40
O fools, and slow of heart to believe. Luke 24:25
- He encouraged his followers to mutilate themselves to avoid hell.
Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out ... And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Matthew 5:28-30
If thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. Matthew 18:8-9
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off ... And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off ... And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:43-48
- He encouraged men to castrate themselves.
There are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Matthew 19:12
- He approved of God's killings in the Bible.
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words ... It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Matthew 10:14-15
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:37
As it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man ... the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot ... the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all ... Remember Lot's wife. Luke 17:26-32
As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: John 3:14
- He believed in the Old Testament's stories.
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:37, Luke 17:27
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. ... Remember Lot's wife. Luke 17:29-32
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:40
- He accepted Old Testament laws.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17
- He criticized the Pharisees for not killing parent-cursing children.
God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. Matthew 15:4
Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death. Mark 7:10
- He and his dad plan to torture billions of people forever after they die.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Matthew 7:19
Fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:41-42
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:49-50
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. Matthew 25:41
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment. Matthew 25:46
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:16
Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Luke 12: 5
- He implied that all Jews are going to hell.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 8:12
- He was a false prophet.
Verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matthew 10:23
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30, Luke 21:32
Behold, I come quickly. Revelation 3:11, 22:7, 22:11, 22:20
- He was a warmonger.
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34, Luke 12:51-53
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:11
- He was a megalomaniac.
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed. Mark 8:38
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God ... he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:18, 36
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:16
Jesus is kinda sketchy.
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- He condemned cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching.
Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! ... And thou, Capernaum ... shalt be brought down to hell ... it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. Matthew 11:21-24
Whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Mark 6:11
But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not ... it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! ... And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell. Luke 10:10-15
- He called an entire generation perverse, evil, adulterous vipers.
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? ... Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign. Matthew 12:34-39, 16:4
Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation.... 17:17
- He invented George W. Bush's false dichotomy.
He that is not with me is against me. Matthew 12:30, Luke 11:230
- He approved of torture.
And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. Matthew 18:34-35
- He inspired the Republican Tea Party.
Whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Matthew 13:12, Mark 4:25
Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. Matthew 25:29
- He believed in an unforgivable sin.
Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men ... whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Matthew 12:31-32, Mark 3:29, Luke 12:10
- He spoke in parables to confuse people so he could send them to hell.
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. Mark 4:11, Matthew 13:10-15
- He believed in a God (himself?) who had his enemies slaughtered in front of him.
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Luke 19:27
- He believed in devils, evil eyes, and unclean spirits.
Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying ... cast out devils. Matthew 10:5-8
Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him. Matthew 12:22
And Jesus rebuked the devil. Matthew 17:18
And he ... cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. Mark 1:34
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils. Luke 9:1
And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God. And he straitly charged them that they should not make him known. Mark 3:11-12
An evil eye ... defile the man. Mark 7:22-23
But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. Matthew 6:23, Luke 11:34
There was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit ... And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. Mark 1:23-25
He gave them power against unclean spirits. Matthew 10:1
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. Matthew 12:43-45, Luke 11:24-26
- He was a bit of a racist.
The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter. But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs. Mark 7:26-27, Matthew 15:22-26
- He condemned people to hell for things that their ancestors supposedly did.
Ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. ... Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? ... Upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Matthew 23:31-35
- He got kind of gross sometimes.
And he ... put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue. Mark 7:33
He took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. Mark 8: 23
He spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay. John 9:6
Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life ... For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him ... He that eateth me, even he shall live by me. John 6:53-57
- He approved of slavery (or at least didn't object to it) and said that God is like a slave owner who beats his slaves and sells families to pay for debts.
And a certain centurion's servant [slave], who was dear unto him, was sick, and ready to die. And when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him that he would come and heal his servant. ... When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. And they that were sent, returning to the house, found the servant whole that had been sick. Luke 7:2-10
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. Luke 12:47
The kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. Matthew 18:23-25
- Someday he'll fight against people with a sword sticking out of his mouth.
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Revelation 2:16
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. ... And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:15, 21
- He threatens to kill children (with death).
I will kill her children with death. Revelation 2:23
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- He's going to kill billions of people with his sickle.
Upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. ,,, And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. ... And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. Revelation 14:14-20
- He unnecessarily killed 2000 pigs.
And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. Matthew 8:30-32
And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine ... And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea. Mark 5:12-13
Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked. Luke 8:33
- He killed a fig tree by cursing it. (Because it didn't have any fruit that he could eat.)
When he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. Matthew 21:19
And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. Mark 11:13-14
- He didn't know much about Biology.
It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth: But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it. Mark 4:31-32
- He lied about prayer.
Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. Matthew 17:20
That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. Mark 11:23-24
Whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do. John 14:13-14, 15:7, 15:16, 16:23
If ye have faith, and doubt not ... if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. Matthew 21:21-22
If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you. Luke 17:6
- He said some stupid things.
All things are possible to him that believeth. Mark 9:23
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Luke 10:19
That which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Luke 16:15
Some of you shall they cause to be put to death ... but there shall not an hair of your head perish. Luke 21:16-18
Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. Luke 21:23
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. John 7:38
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world ... that they which see might be made blind. John 9:39
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. John 12:25
- He talked complete nonsense about the end of the world.
Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows. ... In those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. Mark 13:8, 24-25, Matthew 24:3-30, Luke 21:10-11
- He said that everyone who lived before him was a thief and a robber.
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers John 10:8
- His neighbors rejected him.
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? And they were offended in him. Matthew 13:55-57, Mark 6:3
Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? John 6:42
- Many that saw him up close and personal thought he was mad and possessed by a devil.
Many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? John 10:20
- His family didn't believe in him.
For neither did his brethren believe in him. John 7:5
- His friends thought he was insane.
And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself. Mark 3:21
- He said that his true followers would cast out devils, speak in tongues, handle snakes, and drink poisons.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16:17-18
- He said that disbelievers will be tormented forever in hell.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:16
- He dresses kind of funny.
The Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass ... and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword. Revelation 1:13-16
The Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass Revelation 2:18
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood ... And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword ... And ... on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:12-16
- He is the living dead with keys to hell and death.
I am he that liveth, and was dead... and have the keys of hell and of death. Revelation 1:13-16
Jesus Lying
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)
6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)
7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)
8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)
9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
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@Bones
What is this attempting to do? Obviously it is not wanting rational discussion or you would not have posted so many posts.
Taking a verse out of context - and then using it to confirm an already believed position is unhelpful. If your job is to preach to the choir, then all this does is confirm already held prejudices.
On the other hand if it is an attempt to persuade others, then it is not going to give you a platform.
So - I suggest this is really just a way for you to show everyone how clever you think you are. So well done Bones, you have shown us how clever you are.
However, it also reveals how sketchy atheists are. And how desperate they are.
Whatever do I mean?
+1 for tradesecret
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@Dr.Franklin
+1 for you dodging a debate.
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@Tradesecret
First off, are you still "getting tired these days", or are you ready to defend Christianity's appalling attitude towards homosexuals?
What is this attempting to do?
Read the verses.
Taking a verse out of context
The term "taking a verse out of context" is very much misused these days. Unless you can tell me why Jesus "will kill her children with death. Revelation 2:23", or why he never disapproves of slavery "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. Luke 12:47", or why he loves torture "And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. Matthew 18:34-35"
However, it also reveals how sketchy atheists are. And how desperate they are.
Debate me then. I'm open to most theological topics. Possible topics.
THBT: The God of the Christian bible likely does not exist.
THBT: Homosexuals should not be punished by death for their homosexuality.
THBT: Jesus has acted in immoral ways.
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@Bones
First off, are you still "getting tired these days", or are you ready to defend Christianity's appalling attitude towards homosexuals?
Yes, I still get tired quite a lot. I will in the next couple of days respond to the above post. If I have not responded by Friday, please PM me and I will do so as a matter of course.
What is this attempting to do?Read the verses.
I don't need to read the verses - I have read them before. Many times. I am not embarrassed by them. I embrace each one of them. But within the context. Not cut and pasted out as you have done.
Taking a verse out of contextThe term "taking a verse out of context" is very much misused these days. Unless you can tell me why Jesus "will kill her children with death. Revelation 2:23", or why he never disapproves of slavery "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. Luke 12:47", or why he loves torture "And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. Matthew 18:34-35"
Is this your gotcha post? Is this talking about literal children? As in people under the age of 18? Or in the metaphorical sense - the people who have followed that particular branch of religion? Adults - people with minds. He is talking about Jezebel. Who's that? Duh! And what has this person - who is dead for millenia got to do with this particular church? Children in this context obviously refers to her followers - not to literal children. The entire passage is a mixture of symbolism, metaphor and other types of language.
Why does Jesus never disaprove of slavery? He was in a culture that considered slavery normal. It was because of his teachings that Paul became one of the first people to start changing people's views about slavery. And Christian thought which helped to stop it. I actually don't think Jesus ever embraced it or condoned it. In fact the OT clearly forbade and outlawed kidnapping people to become slaves. Why don't you mention that? I know it goes against your narrative. Where is your intellectual honesty? And in the context of Luke 12: apart from the fact that it is a parable - using hyperbole, he was using language to make a point that his listeners at that time would understand since slavery was part of their culture. In other words, he was communicating a more significant message than one about anti-slavery. You like the pharisee - swallow a camel and strain out a gnat. In your pursuit of trying to trap Jesus - you miss the bigger and more important point that he was making.
And your next verse from Matthew 18 is more contextual garbage. Nowhere in that verse is it talking about Jesus loving torture. Again - a parable with hyperbole. You do understand what hyperbole is, don't you? Even the people in Jesus time - those ignorant uneducated people knew what hyperbole was - and yet you in your most educated 21st century judgmental eyes - don't have the foggiest - or rather even more reckless, do know - but choose to use it in a literal sense anyway. Again - no intellectual honesty. Swallow a camel and strain out a gnat.
However, it also reveals how sketchy atheists are. And how desperate they are.Debate me then. I'm open to most theological topics. Possible topics.THBT: The God of the Christian bible likely does not exist.THBT: Homosexuals should not be punished by death for their homosexuality.THBT: Jesus has acted in immoral ways.
Nope - I can't do debates. I don't have the capacity to be so committed to a debate. No offence. I will discuss these things on the forum - but I don't get back everyday - and despite it seeming like an excuse, I do get tired these days.
I will respond to your first point above. Thanks for reminding me.
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@Bones
The Doc's cool.
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@Tradesecret
However it reveals how sketchy atheists are. And how desperate they are.
You were going well until this point...And then you got all irrational and prejudiced.
Desperation is usually driven by other factors, rather than by having an alternative point of view.
And "kinda sketchy" is itself kinda sketchy.
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@Bones
Jesus is kinda sketchy.
Bang on the nose , Bones.
And I would go so far as to say the Jesus story is complete nonsense in the way it has come down to us and been preached to us for the last 2,000 + years by Pastors and Priests that don't know their arses from their elbows.
The New Testament in particular simply tells the story of a Priest-King that didn't get to rule and the power struggles between all of many the factions and many "messiahs" of the time vying for that power. And Jesus lost. He didn't inherit the throne of David as promised, he didn't rebuild the temple as he said he would and he didn't free his people from the Roman yoke as was expected from "the one to come", the Messiah.
Christians for millennia have been deluding themselves that somehow he had come to save them. But Jesus was a Jew, sent - by all accounts - by god to unite the tribes of Israel and there were no Christians in his time. And I am sure that he would have been appalled that a whole new religious ideology had sprang up in his name.
Christians have simply wrapped around this man, myths from many cultures. Jesus was a man that believed himself to be rightful king of the Jews and heir to the throne of King David. But others believed different and simply were not having any of it, there was a lot at stake. And Jesus failed his mission miserably..
Christians have turned Jesus, rightful heir to the throne of David, into nothing more than a conjuring clown.
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@Tradesecret
I don't need to read the verses - I have read them before
And no doubt forgotten them. So how do you know they were the same verses? And lest we forget, you have a terrible memory for scripture. Would you like an example, Reverend?
HERE YOU ARE:
Trade secret wrote; I can't seem to recall where Lot was ever held up as a paragon of virtue or righteousness.Tradesecret wrote; Can you think of anywhere in the Scriptures where Lot is help up as being a model for Jews or for Christians? I can't and I would never hold him up as so.Stephen wrote; 2 Peter 2:7"and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless" .The Brother had you tagged from day one didn't he?
Yes!! that is you Reverend! You that charges Universities to lecture their students about things you yourself know nothing about and that keeps forgetting the parts that you shouldn't forget and can't remember even when prompted .
Tradesecret wrote: No, I don't charge students, I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them. #20
They are being robbed by you, but then lawyers are well known for overcharging their clients for mountains of small print and double speak on paper and without conscience aren't they Reverend "Tradey". Or have you also forgotten that you are a lawyer too?
HERE YOU ARE:
Tradesecret wrote: I am a lawyer. There you goBut in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications. #20
Tradesecret wrote: I can't do debates. I don't have the capacity to be so committed to a debate. No offence. I will discuss these things on the forum - but I don't get back everyday
This will be because of your so, so heavy workload that you also tell us about, I take it Reverend? You know, the charity work, fighting the abortion cause. Your farm, and your criminal clients to represent, and university workload, your ministering to your countries armed forces etc etc and all this on top of family too. Or have you forgotten this too?
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey".
Most of that is just advice to reject the demiurge. It is a gish gallop though, so no time to address it all
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@Tradesecret
@Bones
Bones,
Do not give the Bible fool TRADESECRET much validity, because as embarrassingly shown in the link below, TRADESECRET will RUNAWAY from your discussion post haste when your "Biblical axiom kitchen" gets too hot, like when he/she/unknown had to do with me when I Bible Slapped them Silly shown recently herewith: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6316-the-meaning-of-death?page=4&post_number=77
BUT, what is entertaining is the fact that when TRADESECRET is "trying" to dig out of the hole they dug for themselves in religious discussion, essentially removing one foot to insert the other all the time, you will see some of the most comical responses a religious forum will ever see, bar none! TRADESECRET is known for this fact, and when doing so, is a step further in being the #1 Bible fool again within this forum, of which will take this notable position away from the #1 Bible fool at this time, FAUXLAW! Priceless entertainment to say the least, just watch!
Oh, if TRADESECRET can find their "big boy," "skirt," or "unknown pants," can Jesus and I have the Popcorn Concession to the upcoming discussion with them?
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@Wylted
@Tradesecret
@Bones
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Wylted,
YOUR ALREADY RUNNING AWAY QUOTE FROM THE TOPIC AT HAND: "Most of that is just advice to reject the demiurge. It is a gish gallop though, so no time to address it all."
I, as the ONLY True Christian upon this esteemed Religious Forum, have had to accept what Bones has proffered relating to what Jesus modus operandi truly is! Therefore, since you alluded that there is no time to address it all in what Bones proposed, then why don't you take a smaller time to address 6 or 8 of the topics as shown within Bones posts?
Can you do it, or will you run away like TRADESECRET does all the time with some of the most childish and lamest excuses any religious forum has ever seen?
WYLTED, the membership is watching, do you want to BEGIN or RUN?
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@BrotherDThomas
you are my favorite troll on this site and very entertaining, but I won't be engaging with you any further than to merely mention, I am a fan of yours and wish I had your dedication.
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@Wylted
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Wylted,
YOUR QUOTE THAT GOES AGAINST THE LINKS BELOW, HYPOCRITE!: "I am a fan of yours and wish I had your dedication."
So, you are an "alleged" fan of mine because I easily plunder the Bible inept pseudo-christians like you within this forum, and yet you state the following towards me in the links below that I am retarded or just a schitzo, stupid, a Satanist, or something is seriously wrong with my brain! Huh? Really? Is this Christian-like? NO, it is not!
Regarding my post #16 above, we can only assume that you are RUNNING AWAY from even "trying" to answer 6-8 Biblical axioms relating to Jesus' true character within the scriptures as Bones has presented, and that we assume also that you still call yourself a Christian? Huh? NOT!!!!! Even pseudo-christians like you are to defend the faith, you ignorant pseudo-christian fool! "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
You are excused for now.
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@Stephen
Thanks again for reminding me of my credentials. It is good for you to remind yourself as well. This is why you continue to destroy your own credibility. But you can't even see this. Still, it must bug you. Which school did you fail at or get rejected from?
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@Wylted
@BrotherDThomas
I notice that you keep on running.
As someone else has pointed out - quite brilliantly, I might add - you are the only true Christian on this site.
Please prove that God exists.
But don't do it this thread - go back to the one from which you are running away.
I predict your MO will be to run away and post a link suggesting I am running away. And I further predict that you actually think that is a valid thing to do.
Thanks again for reminding me of my credentials.
And you are welcome anytime Reverend "Tradey". That is to say, whenever your memory is failing you, you can always guarantee that I will be there for you, sincerely, I will.
It is good for you to remind yourself as well.
It is. Its just a shame that you cannot do the same when tutoring your University students about all things religion , isn't it? They must be the thickest students in all of the field of theology. As with your criminal clients. They must rue the day from their prison cells that you were hired to defend them.
This is why you continue to destroy your own credibility.
I don't think so, Reverend "Tradey". I am of the belief that it all serves me well to be able to reference and recall not just comments from yourself, but from scripture too. Which is something that we all know that you will never be able to do no matter how many "qualifications" you claim to hold.
This is why I do at times question your own ability to recall scripture when needed. Such as in the example Lot, a key character in the bible story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and other cities. I mean, how on gods good earth could you not remember Lot was a "righteous man in the eyes of the Lord"!? And you taking money from universities to lecture their students on!? Do they not know how bible ignorant you really are?#8
But you can't even see this.
Oh I can. If I couldn't see it, I wouldn't be able to perform or function on this Religion forum, I believe I came here equipped with the right tools for the job, and you didn't.. You see Reverend " Tradey" I do not use this forum as a pulpit as you do. I use this forum for its real purpose, you just do not know the difference.
Still, it must bug you.
NOPE! Nothing much bugs me about this forum, especially you and your other personas.
Which school did you fail at or get rejected from?
NONE! So don't you be so rude.
And let me remind you. This is someone else's thread that you are now creating an unnecessary argument on. I advise the OP to flag you if you carry on derailing his brilliant topic.
A brilliant topic that you have shown no interest in taking part in whatsoever and admitted that you haven't a single bit interest in what he has posted, ON HIS OWN THREAD!
#9 Tradesecret wrote: I don't need to read the verses - I have read them before. Many times. I am not embarrassed by them. I embrace each one of them.
The OP doesn't appear to want to know how much you "embrace them" Reverend "Tradey". No, the OP would like you, in your capacity as a Pastor and Chaplin and tutor to explain them to him. And so would I.😊
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey".
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@Tradesecret
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TRADESECRET, whose gender went from a man, to a woman, and now unknown, the Debate Runaway on Jesus' true MO, Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT, the runaway to what division of Christianity he/she/unknown follows, the pseudo-christian that has committed the Unpardonable Sin, the number 1 Bible ignorant fool regarding Noah's ark, the pseudo-christian that says kids that curse their parents should be killed, states there is FICTION within the scriptures, and is guilty of Revelation 22:18-19 and 2 Timothy 4:3, an admitted sexual deviant, and had ungodly Gender Reassignment Surgery, Satanic Bible Rewriter, an embarrassed LIAR of their true gender, and goes against Jesus in not helping the poor, has turned into a HYPOCRITE, and a blatant LIAR,
Addressing your wanting insipid post #20, what part of the following embarrassing link to you don't you understand, AND that you RUN AWAY from?
AGAIN, you did not tell me in which gender you are using when you engage me at your expense! Why can't you tell us, because it does biblically matter in what gender you are using, understood Bible fool?
Which one of your 3 genders are you using today, precluding that you have had ungodly "Gender Reassignment Surgery" that goes against Jesus as biblically shown within the scriptures!
Tradesecret as a male:
https://www.debate.org/Tradesecret/
Tradesecret as a female:
https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy
Tradesecret now as an unknown:
https://www.debateart.com/profiles/Tradesecret
https://www.debate.org/Tradesecret/
Tradesecret as a female:
https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy
Tradesecret now as an unknown:
https://www.debateart.com/profiles/Tradesecret
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@Tradesecret
FOR THE MOST PART, YOUR POST #10 THAT WILL TURN INTO ANOTHER RUNAWAY STANCE: "I will respond to your first point above. Thanks for reminding me."
Yeah, if the truth were known, you are probably going through your "Runaway from Discussion Play Book" to find the appropriate excuse to use in not discussing said topics with "Bones," like you did with me in the following embarrassing links showing you running away from a myriad of posts directed to you by me, that you still have not addressed!
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@BrotherDThomas
Because you asked - you will find my response at https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6165/post-links/279262
I don't typically respond to you because - well - you are a moron. And not worth responding to.
It is rare you post anything significant. The last time you did - I think I responded.
I also refer you to https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6316/post-links/275655.
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherDThomas
@Bones
Thanks again for reminding me of my credentials.
And you are welcome anytime Reverend "Tradey". That is to say, whenever your memory is failing you, you can always guarantee that I will be there for you, sincerely, I will.
It is good for you to remind yourself as well.
It is. Its just a shame that you cannot do the same when tutoring your University students about all things religion , isn't it? They must be the thickest students in all of the field of theology. As with your criminal clients. They must rue the day from their prison cells that you were hired to defend them.
This is why you continue to destroy your own credibility.
I don't think so, Reverend "Tradey". I am of the belief that it all serves me well to be able to reference and recall not just comments from yourself, but from scripture too. Which is something that we all know that you will never be able to do no matter how many "qualifications" you claim to hold.
This is why I do at times question your own ability to recall scripture when needed. Such as in the example Lot, a key character in the bible story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and other cities. I mean, how on gods good earth could you not remember Lot was a "righteous man in the eyes of the Lord"!? And you taking money from universities to lecture their students on!? Do they not know how bible ignorant you really are?#8
But you can't even see this.
Oh I can. If I couldn't see it, I wouldn't be able to perform or function on this Religion forum, I believe I came here equipped with the right tools for the job, and you didn't.. You see Reverend " Tradey" I do not use this forum as a pulpit as you do. I use this forum for its real purpose, you just do not know the difference.
Still, it must bug you.
NOPE! Nothing much bugs me about this forum, especially you and your other personas.
Which school did you fail at or get rejected from?
NONE! So don't you be so rude.
And let me remind you. This is someone else's thread that you are now creating an unnecessary argument on. I advise the OP to flag you if you carry on derailing his brilliant topic.
A brilliant topic that you have shown no interest in taking part in whatsoever and admitted that you haven't a single bit interest in what he has posted, ON HIS OWN THREAD!
#9 Tradesecret wrote: I don't need to read the verses - I have read them before. Many times. I am not embarrassed by them. I embrace each one of them.
The OP doesn't appear to want to know how much you "embrace them" Reverend "Tradey". No, the OP would like you, in your capacity as a Pastor and Chaplin and tutor to explain them to him. And so would I.😊
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey".
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@zedvictor4
You calling anyone prejudice, lol.
Jesus some poor guy walking around telling people they should be nice to one another as sketchy. But the church who put together a book said it was written by God so they can take your money and hit you with the book when they you do what they don't like isn't sketchy makes perfect sense.
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@Stephen
@Tradesecret
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TRADESECRET, whose gender went from a man, to a woman, and now unknown, the Debate Runaway on Jesus' true MO, Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT, the runaway to what division of Christianity he/she/unknown follows, the pseudo-christian that has committed the Unpardonable Sin, the number 1 Bible ignorant fool regarding Noah's ark, the pseudo-christian that says kids that curse their parents should be killed, states there is FICTION within the scriptures, and is guilty of Revelation 22:18-19 and 2 Timothy 4:3, an admitted sexual deviant, and obviously had ungodly Gender Reassignment Surgery, Satanic Bible Rewriter, and goes against Jesus in not helping the poor, has turned into a HYPOCRITE, and an habitual blatant LIAR,"
YOUR OUTRIGHT MEANINGLESS QUOTE NOW IN POST #19 TO STEPHEN: "Thanks again for reminding me of my credentials. It is good for you to remind yourself as well. This is why you continue to destroy your own credibility. But you can't even see this. Still, it must bug you."
This statement of yours above is now a moot issue because your "alleged" credentials and credibility now fall flat upon their proverbial face because of the godly links shown below that prove beyond any doubt that you are a SEXUAL DEVIANT, and where you obviously had a SEX CHANGE, and the ungodly ramifications thereof within the JUDEO-Christian Bible!!!
Tradesecret remains SILENT upon their obvious SEX CHANGE that goes directly against Jesus within the scriptures:
Tradesecret is still RUNNING AWAY from this post in showing that they are an admitted ungodly SEXUAL DEVIANT:
How pitiful can the Bible stupid TRADESECRET get within this forum? It is truly sad to watch TRADESECRET continue to SIN in the name of Satan!
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@Polytheist-Witch
Polytheist-Witch,
Yes, the entire JUDEO-Christian Bible was written by the serial killer Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, as shown in the following passage:
“And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13)
So what if any DIVISION of the Christian faith takes your money TAX FREE, whereas they need this collection plate money to house their priest, pastor, or minister, in paying for his car, food, medical insurance, clothing, and at times, his exorbitant attorney fees for defending him against his pedophile lawsuits of screwing little innocent children!
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@Polytheist-Witch
Sorry, but I don't understand the significance of the comment.
Perhaps you could explain.