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yaatm? i dont recall yaatm
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I’m wondering why Oro would claim so early.

Why not?  If I'm not confirmed DP3 you already have your lynch. 
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Oromagi               Julian Lane      INNOCENT CHILD
TOWN
greyparrot           James McSweeny     JAILKEEPER
Polyglot                 Kamaru Usman      MILLER
drlebronksi
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Poly (1/6)- Wylted,
Earth (1/6)-WFlame,
drBro(1/6)- oro
Pie (1/6)- GP
Oro (1/6)- Pie

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@oromagi
Why not?  If I'm not confirmed DP3 you already have your lynch. 
There's no reason for you to claim early since you will already be confirmed in DP3. You could play undercover and appear innocent until TUF proves your innocence. But by claiming early it appears really scummy as it can be Mafia using this role to stay alive for further day phases. I believe claiming early with this role is not the best tactic to take as town.

With that being said,

VTL Oromagi
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@oromagi
Alright, I just caught up.

The Innocent Child claim does seem a little opportunistic. It's possible that Oro has some role he needs to wait until later to use, though he could still be doing that as town. There is a sort of symmetry between having a Miller and an Innocent Child, though the two-day delay sets them apart a bit. The stranger choice is Oro's apparent targeting of drlebronski over not remembering what began as a cryptic post from DP1 of the last game. I'd understand this more if we were talking about a more established player, but we're talking about someone who was already pretty overwhelmed by what was happening on a more superficial level in the last game. His uncertainty here looks as genuine as anything he said in the previous game, so I don't know what has Oro so convinced that he's scum.

Oro, care to explain this move?

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@whiteflame
I don't know when everybody got so obtuse about wincons.  Last game, the wincon was You Win with the Town and the fact that Wylted didn't know what it meant turned out to be evidence of his guilt, although I was doubtful DP2.

Please state your wincon.
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@whiteflame
Don't know your wincon?  That is unfortunate.

UNOVTE

VTL WhiteFlame
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I would think that if WhiteFlame had a town wincon he'd answer pretty quickly.  
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@whiteflame
Just take a guess... you already know what the initials are
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@oromagi
Well, I just stepped out of the shower, and suddenly you're on me because I was away for a few minutes.

I didn't say anything about sussing you over your wincon, even pointing out that you could be doing this regardless of your affiliation. I didn't say anything last game over sussing anyone over their wincon. I'm not sure why you think that's what I'm doing, but my wincon is the same as it was last game: you win with the town.

I asked you to justify your decision to VTL drlebronski, but apparently that doesn't matter anymore. Not sure why you're suddenly so aggressive this game, but it definitely doesn't fit the meta I'm used to seeing from you as town.

VTL Oro


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Okay, seems that whiteflame doesn't know the wincon.

If everybody else's wincon is "You are a town member" then I think we should lynch whiteflame
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Oromagi               Julian Lane      INNOCENT CHILD
TOWN
greyparrot           James McSweeny     JAILKEEPER
Polyglot                 Kamaru Usman      MILLER
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Poly (1/6)- Wylted,
drBro(1/6)- oro
Pie (1/6)- GP
Oro (1/6)- Pie, WFlame
WFlame (1/6)- oro

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VTL Oro

OMGUS is also not a great look.
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@oromagi
Dude, just because you have a different wincon phrasing than I do doesn't mean you've stumbled upon scum. My phrasing is what it is.

I'll also note that I asked you why you voted for drlebronski. You never answered my question, and instead, chose to shift your vote to me before I could even respond to you. Yes, that's going to elicit a VTL. Shocking, I know.
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Dude, just because you have a different wincon phrasing than I do doesn't mean you've stumbled upon scum. My phrasing is what it is.
what is your wincon phrasing?  You have neglected to say.

I'll also note that I asked you why you voted for drlebronski. You never answered my question, and instead, chose to shift your vote to me before I could even respond to you. Yes, that's going to elicit a VTL. Shocking, I know.
The answer to that was obvious to everybody whose wincon was "You are a town member"
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Dude, just because you have a different wincon phrasing than I do doesn't mean you've stumbled upon scum. My phrasing is what it is.
what is your wincon phrasing?  You have neglected to say.

I'll also note that I asked you why you voted for drlebronski. You never answered my question, and instead, chose to shift your vote to me before I could even respond to you. Yes, that's going to elicit a VTL. Shocking, I know.
The answer to that was obvious to everybody whose wincon was "You are a town member"

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What does your wincon say, please?

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What does your wincon say, please?


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@oromagi
I gave it to you already. I'll repeat: you win with the town. That's my phrasing.
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Somebody tag Greyparrot and ask him what is wincon says, please.
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@whiteflame
I gave it to you already. I'll repeat: you win with the town. That's my phrasing.

Thanks, I missed it.  POST#70
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Why not?  If I'm not confirmed DP3 you already have your lynch. 
This post just makes me want to lynch oro even more
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@oromagi
You are aligned with those that win with the town.
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So it is totally plausible that TUF used different wincons for different people but IF everybody else's say "You are a town member"  and only whiteflame's says "You win with the town"  then I think Whiteflame is obv scum
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@ILikePie5
You are aligned with those that win with the town.

Thanks for that.

UNVOTE
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Help me pressure GP for his justification 
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@ILikePie5
I've already said my justification is non-existent.  Do you have a good justification?
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@oromagi
Your welcome now help me pressure GP please
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@oromagi
I've already said my justification is non-existent.  Do you have a good justification?
why does it matter? I have my reasons to hear his justification
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Help me pressure GP for his justification 
I can't pressure GP because he has me blocked