Ancient Roman Battles Mafia DP2

TUF=Lunatic  that was his name on debate.org

Worked here a month and nobody interesting. Today is odd

Not really his style.  He usually just claims and hides.  I do wonder why he sus'd Earth- seems a bit random.

I'm heading to work but will post some reads later... Got to process all this info lol.

I talk to no less than 500 people a day and average about 3 sales a day, which even though I am new puts me among the best. Most people say know, and the male celebrity I talked to mention his famous wife is broke on paper and so she won the car in the divorce. The rock star says he gets chauffeured around and sold the car until his tours slow down. 

how about a battle claim since everybody else seems down?

I've done cold call hospital satisfaction interviews so I believe you when you say 3/500 is an excellent record.  That is very difficult work.

So 90's rock band, on tour, famous wife- now divorced, broke

seems like that should be guessable.

I have a fair number of celebrity stories.  I've already told the one about riding a gondola with Guy Pearce, Antonio Banderas, and Carice Van Houten (Melisandre from GOT) two summers ago.

so we got 5 civil wars 

2 roman victories 

2 roman disasters

1 non-short list

1 on short list

so you were active at 1am and 4 am but not in between?

fuck it. I will risk it

First one was the ex husband of Cice Rivera. Second one was lead singer of the pixies

where can I find that story?

Earth gives me bad vibes.

I will read through the dp when off. Just hit and run posting now. Sorry

Well, since we’re all doing it, I’m Zama.

Is that Geraldo?, cuz if yes that puts us at like three degrees of separation, weirdly.

no lol. She was in carlitos way. Can't remember her husband name right now. Brye something. 

Let's remember that scum may well have a fake claim and the Battles don't seem to make the ROLES very guessable (although the four I know of all seem to make a certain kind of sense)

hows china?

So we've got all but Chris now-  he says he not on the short list.

Mt. Vesuvius still definitely stands out a uniquely weak claim.  Watling Street is also rather underpowered but at least Watling St was the big battle of that war and involved three legions.  Mt. Vesuvius was a minor skirmish- the Battle of Picenum and the Battle of SIlarius River were much, much larger scale in that Third Servile War- involving whole legions and 10,000's of combatants instead of just a few thousand.

Further, we have no Teutoburg Forest and looking at the other namse on this list I expect Teutoberg would be there.  It seems very plausible that Wylted is Teutoberg covering  with a battle which he has an outsized notion of due to his being a fan of Spartacus.  I doubt Pie would give him that claim so if he made it up, then he probably has a good role claim given by Pie.

Cannae connects strongly with Carrhae as a Roman disaster with big impacts on Roman history.  Supa has helpfully volunteered his ROLE but his role is not particularly TOWN or very testable (conveniently).  In fact, Supa just sort of announced that his power was wasted, which rather depends on what other roles are here.

Milvian Bridge is 200 years later than most of these battles.  Cannae and Zama are about 150 years before most of these battle.

This qoute from badger near the end of the phase is interesting... last minute seperation attempt? Or genuine M v T here? Like I feel like badger's scum play was so nooby in the day phase that I want to dis-credit any big brain moves, but at the same time that is pretty naive. 

I am talking about your response to me. You said "I was progressively scum reading him unlike you, which gut read him" This was kind of a snappy remark considering I led the lynch on the guy. Alsoit dismisses literally eveyr behavioral read I put into him after the initial read, which I told you at the time was only supplemental to his reaction.

Then at the end of the phase you said "Lunatic is more likely town than scum looking at it behaviorally, but do note that Lunatic is also being more "engaged" with longer paragraphs does not write him off as town".

So here you are admitting that the read was behavioral and a significant amount of effort was put in to the badger read, yet the second I ask you a question about something relating to your read on badger you got all snappy. Why is that?

I would like some clarification on this read plase. First off, what is scummy about responding to a "Wide variety of people" or why specifically was it scummy for him to do that?

What ideas was he throwing around "willy nilly" to "derail" the thread? 

When was he making long ravings or ramblings? 

To be frank badger was scummy AF. But none of the reasons you listed for scum reading him make any sense at all to me. If I were to give you the benefit of the doubt here as town, you didn't read anything really in the day phase that wasn't addressed to you specifically and boarded a bandwagon. Which is fine and well if you admit it, which you didn't. 

But this pings me more as scummy because at this point badger looks like a lost cause. You explicitly telling people not to hammer looks like a last ditch effort to delay the game til he wakes up and is able to claim so you can use that as an excuse to waffle your vote or unvote entirely. Because none of the "reasons" you listed for scum reading badger sound anything like how his behavior actually was last day phase. 

Also elaborate on this please. Lol I know where you are getting it from, but I called badger out on the same thing. Potentially the dumbest wagon I ever seen and it's what started me FOS'ing badger in the first place.  

After re-reading the day phase:

DrLebron- Towny as fuck- Nooby as Fuck. scum lebron doesn't say this: "this is hard im kinda getting sus of badger but it very well could be lunatic". And he isn't experienced enough to bus badger as hard as he was the next few pages either.

Chris- Town by associations- To much T v M interactions with badger last day phase, in the early part where badger's read wasn't taken as seriously. This looks really good for him. Also badger's response to him in 318, and 319 where he calmly explains a joke then immediately acts incredulous that the joke wasn't understood is more big poins for chris, and was kind of the nail in the coffin for me regarding badger.

Earth- Town by associations- He was an early and late ditch effort for a lynch attempt by badger, none of this felt bussy. 

Poly- Town, lean null- One of the few nulls I have at this point based on activity and limited interactions. Badger called him "sus AF" earlier on before the pressure on him really started picking up so that looks good for him. He was mentioned in badgers scum pool again a few times throughout the phase. He hasn't done enough for me to full clear him but he's been referred to enough by badger's scum list of potential mislynches that I am not immediately worried about him.

Whiteflame- Strong Town- First independent read on badger that kind of made sense in post 280. Also that post invoked a lot of behavioral tells from badger that made him look worse towards the end (continously saying he would log off yet he kept posting). The defending my behavior (he was spot on btw about my passivitity in the last game as scum, I even told pie straight up I was trying to play more passively because in the last few games I was scum I was more aggressive, but I played the part a little too strongly). 

Greyparrot- Easy town pile for now- Greyparrot first to claim, proved his role, pretty straightforward. We can revisit this later if neccesary, the worst thing you can really say about his role is that it doesn't seem to have much town utility, but mods use roles like that frequently so I am not going there yet unless my scum reads pan out.

Wylted- Either extremely town or extremely scum- TBH I am leaning more on the town camp with him. The hammer was definitely helpful to town, I feel like if badger got on and claimed the next morning town would have found a way to wimp out of the lynch. But the question is whether wylted did it because he knew it would look good for him or not. My gut tells me no, that this is simpler than that and that big brained type of chess move wasn't made (not that he isn't capable of it). I am leaning more town because of his early vote switch onto wylted when he over reacted to my pressure on him for the win con thing. That and supa pushing that dumbass win statement thing again last minute looked like another attempt at deflection to who it seemed they both thought was the best mislynch option at the time. 

Oromagi- slight scum- General lack of pursuit of badger until it seemed he was theonly option; He was online and aware of the scummy vote switch when it happened but didn't bring it up til much later. I am hoping he is town here, his character analysis may prove useful here. I particularly am not interested in researching any claims to see if they make sense with characters or trying to decide a theme split. though at this point it probably doesnt even matter since badger never used the fake claim so the remaining scum member(s) still probably have it.

Supadudz- Strong scum- People mentioned how contrived his reads sounded early on, which I did kind of agree with but took it with a grain of salt since it was early and all early reads are contrived, mine included. However that ate game read on badger was EXTREMELY contrived and actually makes little sense. It seems like he hadn't read a single thing that occured in the day phase yet is acting as if he had. That combined with telling town not to hammer until a claim happened seemed like he was wanting to wait for badger to get back on and come out with some game saving claim that he could use it an an excuse to derail the lynch into a no lynch. Also he was defending badger pretty early but otherwise offered no leads for his own thoughts into who we would pursue. I get he was probably busy or whatever but the time he did put into the game did not feel like an investigative townie trying to piece things together to hunt for scum.  I really wouldn't be surprised if the game is as simple as a badger/supa scum team here. He was barely mentioned by badger in the day phase, even when badger was intent on making it a point that whiteflame should be active though supa was nearly just as inactive. These two have the most scum equity. 

I should add I would feel much better about wylted if he and badger weren't so wishy washy with each other all day phase 1

Thoughts? Are you still waiting on poly? TBH feels like kind of a waste of time and the day phase at this point. 

Waiting on me for what? I claimed my battle already. I don’t think there’s any point to full claim right now. 

Since no one died last night it’s clear someone may have been protected or someone’s role was blocked. 

I’m still curious about Chris. Lunatic I don’t think that joke between Badger and Chris can show non association. I actually viewed it as the opposite. Chris could have also been fed up with badger at that point knowing his team mate is losing.