America is the greatest superpower to ever exist

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The British empire: Genocides tens of millions of Africans to expand their empire.  Based off the British ethnicity.  Authoritarian.

The French empire: Genocides tens of millions of Africans to expand their empire.  Based off the French ethnicity.  Authoritarian.

The Spanish empire: Genocides tens of millions of Native Americans to expand their empire.  Based off the Spanish ethnicity.  Authoritarian.

The Portuguese empire: Genocides tens of millions of Native Americans to expand their empire.  Based off the Portuguese ethnicity.  Authoritarian.

The Belgian Empire: Genocides 15 million Congolese for rubber.  Based off Belgian ethnicity.  Authoritarian.

The Chinese empire: Kills millions to expand their empire and to implement communism.  Based on authoritarian communism.  

The American empire: Genocides less people to build a democracy.  Based on enlightenment values.  Based on the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  You are in charge of your own destiny.  The epitome of capitalism and freedom.  Attracts more immigrants than any other country(More Than 750 Million Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could (gallup.com)).  Motto: E Plurbus Unum.  Out of many one.  Out of many ethnicities, one nationality.  Out of many states, one nation.  Invents the 1st amendment and writes a 2nd amendment to protect it.  Implements the 8th amendment and many others.  Is the only superpower country to have a constitution that expands victimless rights and restricts government instead of restricting rights and expanding government.  A country that initially had not lived up to it's promise of freedom but gradually (and working on it) implementing more victimless freedoms.  Not perfect, but getting closer to perfection every day on average.  Double the per capita income of countries in the EU.  Only superpower to have an actual libetarian party (the UK's yellow party is on the left(What do the Liberal Democrats believe? (markpack.org.uk))).  Creates peace in other countries, like the ones in NATO and the Korean peninsula.

This is why people want to move to America instead of ethnostates like Britain, France, or Germany.


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UK's libertarian right wing party is known as Brexit Party or UKIP (different parties with allied members), they do have potentially harder right-wing racist allegiances in their supporters though as the BNP considers them allies.

The Lib Dems are the equivalent of if the Democrats had an offshoot.
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The Brexit party is authoritarian on some social issues.  They want to reduce immigration by a lot.  The EU is libetarian-ish on immigration issues.
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Brexit Party is now known as Reform UK
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The Lib Dems are an offshoot from the original leftwing party Labour of UK. They support censoring hate speech to the max as well as other things that aren't what right-wing libertarianism stands for 
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Brexit is basically America's reform party as they want high taxes and strict borders.  But they aren't libetarian.  The Lib Dems are on the left from what I've read about them.  Britain's conservative party is moderate.
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Lib dems are left wing indeed, less so than Labour but definitely so compared to America's scale.

Lib Dems support much superior subsidisation for the mentally unwell than NHS currently offers and are even more leftwing than Labour about that.
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Brexit Party are extremely capitalist, they don't support high taxes at all.
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What do European conservatives believe in that the Labor or Lib Dems don't believe in besides being pro Brexit?  How do Labor and Lib Dems differ on anything political?
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Brexit party supports UHC, they aren't fiscally on the right.
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In Britain and Northern Ireland, a right wing party has to support the NHS if they want to gain votes. They argue that they don't see UHC interfering with people's rights as even the right wingers of UK generally do support the poor getting free healthcare.

It's a decency thing if you ask me, not something to be ashamed of.
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If the right wingers of the UK don't support UHC, then the Conservatives in the UK could be opposed to UHC and get the votes of people that oppose UHC.  If you support UHC, what would it mean to be a fiscal conservative?
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There's some very strong right wingers who oppose UHC but they're a minority. Almost all of UK truly supports the NHS, even the majority of the right wing.

I'll reply to you later.

For what it's worth, I agree with you that the British Empire was magnificently corrupt and correctly/justly overthrown in essentially all of the places it overtook.

I'm not going to agree that America's world domination campaign is a good thing though.
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There's some very strong right wingers who oppose UHC but they're a minority. Almost all of UK truly supports the NHS, even the majority of the right wing.
If the majority of the right wing supports UHC, what does it mean to be right wing then?  What economic policies do the Labor propose that the conservatives don't like or vice versa?  If the conservatives there want to support UHC, that's fine, but then they aren't conservatives.

I'll reply to you later.
NP; respond when you get the time too.

For what it's worth, I agree with you that the British Empire was magnificently corrupt and correctly/justly overthrown in essentially all of the places it overtook.

I'm not going to agree that America's world domination campaign is a good thing though.
What's better though; the country that killed millions of Africans to make an ethnostate empire or the country that killed a smaller number of natives to make a country based on enlightenment values?  Some superpower is going to be doing bad stuff to other countries; that's a given.  The question is is the American superpower better or worse than previous superpowers?  I'd say America is better.
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Pretty sure healthcare and welfare generally is a non issue in most every western country besides the US. Not sure if you guys realise, but all of your politics is around black people. Affirmative action, healthcare, welfare, guns, the lot. This stuff is easy in racially homogenous states. My government has been paying out a 40 hour week wage all covid long, so many people getting it that shouldn't actually be getting it because means testing would have been burdensome with it all coming apart, and nobody really cares. What politics does Britain have? Brexit, that's it. Same shit. 
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American politics is a bunch of white people and black people mad at each other. 
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If the conservatives support UHC and people being on welfare, what does it mean to be conservative then?  Is the only difference between conservatives and labor their stance on Brexit?

American politics is a bunch of white people and black people mad at each other. 
This isn't accurate.  It's white liberals vs white conservatives and most of the blacks wished the whites would calm down.  Blacks have opinions, but in general they are much less vocal about them than the whites.

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If the conservatives support UHC and people being on welfare, what does it mean to be conservative then?  Is the only difference between conservatives and labor their stance on Brexit?
I don't think it means very much at all. My country for sure is post politics. I think Brexit's all the UK's got. About chucking out their non-Brits. 

This isn't accurate.  It's white liberals vs white conservatives
About black people. 
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My country for sure is post politics. 
Where is your country and what does, "post politics" mean?

I think Brexit's all the UK's got. About chucking out their non-Brits. 
So that's the only difference between conservatives and labor.  But why would the conservatives want to chuck out non Brits?

This isn't accurate.  It's white liberals vs white conservatives
About black people. 
Other issues prevail.  Abortion, race issues, gun rights, taxes, immigration, and other issues are what the US is dealing with.
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Well, if greatness is only defined by smallest number killed in genocides then I think you've made your case.   It seems to me a little strange to credit the Spanish and Portuguese with Native American genocide and not the American Empire who most profited from that genocide with the richest portion of the land so depopulated, and we certainly played our part in the killing.

I also think many empires go unconsidered here.  The Romans killed many in the conquering but were more generous than any other conquerors in terms of creating a process for citizenship, improving the quality of life for the conquered, and critically, permitting freedom of worship.  The Alexandrian empire was short lived but less genocidey than most.  The Umayyad Caliphate was downright inclusive compared to most empires. 

Overall, I'd say this thesis is pretty thin however much I am in complete agreement with your conclusion.
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It seems to me a little strange to credit the Spanish and Portuguese with Native American genocide and not the American Empire who most profited from that genocide with the richest portion of the land so depopulated
I fail to see how America genocided the richest portion of the land.

 The Romans killed many in the conquering but were more generous than any other conquerors in terms of creating a process for citizenship, improving the quality of life for the conquered, and critically, permitting freedom of worship
The US gives citizenship to anyone that it conquers.  This is why Guam residents have US citizenship.  Guam also has a high per capita income for an isolated island.

The Romans didn't have freedom of worship to the extent the US does.  In the Roman empire, you had to worship the Roman gods and any other god was optional.  The Jews in Israel didn't like that so they started a revolution.  America lets you worship anyone if you want.  We even have a lot of celeberty worshippers.  You can legally worship FSM or Satan and it's totally legal.  Although I do think every state in the Union should let atheists run for office in their state(it's banned in 7 states).

Overall, I'd say this thesis is pretty thin however much I am in complete agreement with your conclusion.
Nice; I got the smartest and one of the most confusing people on DART agreeing with me.
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You have to admit America has done some pretty screwed up shit including native american genocide and putting japanese AMERICANS into concentration camps during ww2, Did slavery and after it ended provided 0 reparations. Did hiroshima, countless war crimes especially in small socialist countries that destroyed their economies. CIA murdered Fred Hampton. 
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Sure, but so what?
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I fail to see how America genocided the richest portion of the land.
Then read The Journal of Lewis and Clark and their descriptions of the great ghost towns along the Missouri river- just wiped out by smallpox and abandoned.  Read the accounts of the Pilgrims  as they moved into abandoned Patuxet villages and made them their homes.  Read Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee.

The US gives citizenship to anyone that it conquers. 
Are you including African Americans in that claim?

The Romans didn't have freedom of worship to the extent the US does.  In the Roman empire, you had to worship the Roman gods and any other god was optional. 
That came later and mostly as a reaction to the rise of Christianity.  In the Republic and early Empire freedom to worship was generally quite liberal.

The Jews in Israel didn't like that so they started a revolution. 
In the time of Christ, Jesus was Jew  born in the Roman Empire after Pompey's conquest  but he was never required to worship any Roman god.  In fact, the story of Jesus' trial demonstrates that Pilate considered Jesus a religious heretic and deferred his judgement to the religious courts of the  Sanhedrin.



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It's interesting how you old Europeans cherry pick history to suit.
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The pilgrims were welcomed by native american tribes but were later murdered by the pilgrims.
The founding of america was stealing land from native american tribes.--In school you often learn that christopher columbus founded america but what most schools fail to mention is that columbus stole the natives land literally tortured them to death and enslaved them, in terms of history america isn't so great.
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Bollocks.
I don't mind a bit of awareness of one's countries misdeeds, but I dislike the bleeding heart angle many people go for.
Oh my ancestors the white men were so terrible, we should all feel so guilty, boo hoo.

Look upon the history of man, and it's the same story, good and bad throughout.

Barring some technical semantic nonsense,
And going into a religious tangent,
Never was there a man free of sin.

Anyway, as though the Native Americans were some peace pipe smoking pacifists, 'nonsense.
They were human as everyone else, killed, enslaved, destroyed entire other tribes, raped, pillaged, and plundered.
Boo ho-
Grrr, stop it Leaning.
You're ranting too much.
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I'm not ashamed of my ancestors, I take them for what they were.
I appreciate what in the present day, I reap by their seed and effort.

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Also your strokes 'claim too much, while explaining too little.
When you speak of the Pilgrims, Native Americans, Columbus.
It 'reeks of white guilt, and a lack of understanding of historical context, perspective.
Just my opinion though.

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Sorry about the boo hooing, and sarcasm, that was uncalled for, for me to speak that way.
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Quality of life has basically nothing to do with how "great" it is. Would you say that Healthcare is "greater" than military as one saves people and another kills?
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I think you're talking about the center of civilization. In that case, you forgot to add the Ottoman Empire. It reached peak power about the same time Portugal went into stagnation.  There were also the Umayyads (responsible for preserving Greek literature) and the Abbasids (responsible for pioneering surgery and medicine). I'm not a big fan of any of them though.

Personally, I'd rather have a western center of civilization than an eastern center of civilization. I don't really care if it's Biden's America or Johnson's Britain, I just want the center of civilization to be western. 
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I don't know about all of that but you should see what the Sultans of Malacca were doing before the coming of Portuguese/Dutch/British. They were using cock fighting as an excuse for civil war. Revenge, usurpation, grave defilements are all common themes of history.