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Let me rephrase the question What do "YOU" think the democrat party represents based on current actions and legislation.
I think Democrat's current actions and legislation well reflect the values put forth by the DNC platform last summer.

The top priorities right now are infrastructure and voting rights.

 Democrats stand ready to take immediate, decisive action to pull the economy out of President Trump’s recession by investing in infrastructure, care work, clean energy, and small businesses to put Americans to work in good-paying jobs; shoring up state and local budgets to save jobs and protect public health in the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic;

  • That is what they are doing.  Republicans are fiercely resisting the idea of care work or clean energy as infrastructure but of course they are wrong.
Democrats will strengthen our democracy by guaranteeing that every American’s vote is protected. We will make it a priority to pass legislation that restores and strengthens the Voting Rights Act, and ensure the Department of Justice challenges state laws that make it harder for Americans to vote. We will make voting easier and more accessible for all Americans by supporting automatic voter registration, same-day voter registration, early voting, and universal vote-from-home and vote-by-mail options.
  • That is what they are doing.  Republicans are fiercely resisting any increase in voter participation, understanding well that when the majority is permitted to vote, the GOP loses.

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That in no way doesn't even encapsulate what the democratic party stands for.
agreed.

Itnis just a copy and paste of their inconsistent platform.
feel free to point out any inconsistencies you see.
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No, America is a Republic. [...]

America ceased being a Republic along time ago with the advent of the destruction of the rule of law. 
Lol!
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No, America is a Republic, A Democracy is 51% mob rule. Huge difference.  Venezuela is a Democracy, the majority of the people voted for the existing govt. A "Democratic Democracy" I believe is the correct term they used when they voted for it 10 or 12 years ago. But if one wants to live in reality America ceased being a Republic along time ago with the advent of the destruction of the rule of law. America is an oligarchy or a better term would be a "Third world Banana Republic" in reality. Elections are just dog and pony shows for the masses who still think they live in a Republic with a rule of law.
Saying that the US is a Republic, not a Democracy is like saying that dogs are canines, not mammals.  The former is a species of the latter.

Venezuela is no more a democracy than Russia.  Chavez re-wrote the constitution in 1999 and removed most checks and balances upon the executive, after which that Republic was more properly seen as a dictatorship.

In 2015, the Venezuelan Constitution was officially suspended.  When voters gave the opposition the majority of the National Assembly, Maduro refused to seat them.  Maduro disqualified every popular opposition candidate running against him in 2018 and hand-picked and then colluded with his opposition in the general.  No democratic nation has recognized the 2018 election as legitimate and all international bodies that oversee elections declared the election entirely fraudulent.  Fewer than half of Venezuelans bothered to vote and two-thirds of those voters considered the election rigged.  I wish 51% of Venezuelans could take back their government.

While it is not surprising to find so many Republicans so anti-democracy these days, it is important to note that the arguments against democracy depend heavily on misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies.

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Hopefully the U.S. is a Democratic Republic.

And hopefully all Americans are Democratic Republicans.

You're conflating things a tad.


Previously in another thread, you were extolling the virtues of adulthood and all your boys toys.

Aren't you really, just a grumpy old git?
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@sadolite
their supposed to represent the "left", this is what the right thinks at least, in reality - they are depressingly slow moving and happy with the status quo. In most countries, Biden would be considered a decent republican, unfortunately I'm a progressive - so 9 times out of 10, the democratic party doesn't represent me, but the two party system has been fixed, so I'm pretty screwed till' we can get that worked out. 
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I am all things to all people. There is nothing I haven't been and nothing I haven't been called.  I am everything from a compassionate generous saint to a Nazi. I have been called both those things and everything in between. What I am is dictated by the person in front of me. I have given away thousands of dollars to being the most evil vindictive person you will ever meet. Its up to the individual as to what kind of person they will get from me.  I've heard it said to me, how come you gave him $5,000 and you wouldn't lend me a dollar? Let them wonder. Generous and vindictive at the same time LOL
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 one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention,  a lady asked Dr. Franklin “Well Doctor what have we got, a republic or a monarchy.”  Franklin replied, “A republic . . . if you can keep it.”
Our Constitution created a limited representative republic.  A republic is different from a democracy.  In a democracy, the majority can directly make laws, while in a republic, elected representatives make laws.  Basically, in a pure democracy, the majority has unlimited power, whereas in a republic, a written constitution limits the majority and provides safeguards for the individual and minorities.

No where in the constitution or founding documents does it say that our system of govt is a Democratic Republic. Its a Republic based on the rule of law. The rule of law is now dead so now we are a Banana Republic.
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@sadolite
Many Democrats protested against July 4th thinking it was a celebration of white supremacy.
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Everything and everyone is racist, is this supposed to surprise me. All traditions and culture everywhere will eventually be erased from history because they will be deemed racist. Then everyone will canibalize each other because there will be nothing left to call racist thus leaving only one race left on the planet. Then they will all commit suicide because of self loathing of their own race.  The end of humanity and good riddance.
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@sadolite
Amen.
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I don't open links without descriptions.
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@sadolite
Article on how America is a republic not a democracy is dangerous
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/yes-constitution-democracy/616949/  its not i rick rol and i dont have time to do an in depth explanation just read it
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@sadolite
Democrats represent working class Americans and struggling Americans, so pretty much anyone who is not rich. They also represent anyone who believes in democracy.

BTW, it’s the Democratic Party
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There is no "Democrat party". It is called democratic party.
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If I had to choose........... I choose a Republic.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, the new Republican Party:  Republican but not democratic
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@oromagi
A Republic is a Republic. The constitution and founding documents  clearly spells out what that is. No where anywhere does it say Democratic Republic. That is made up BS added on by people who want to make it seem this country is a Democracy which it is not and has never been. 
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Could you explain the key features in your view of a democracy such that the the term "democratic republic" cannot be applied to the US?

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America is a Constitutional Republic not a Democratic Republic.

Constitutional Republic:

Elected representatives govern a system then it is called as a Republic. A Republic which is based upon a constitution and the rule of law is called as a Constitutional Republic. The elected representatives have to follow the constitution and the rule of law.



Democratic Republic:

A type of government which has combined elements of democracy and republic government systems.  This is essentially the same thing as a democracy. 51% of the people can override any law.  The Law is what any given 51% of the people say it is. The other 49% can fuck off. The elected representatives do what the 51% tell them to do.


The Congo is a perfect example of a Democratic Republic. Great place to live.
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Did you not read the article i sent you? heres another one if its to big for you https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-republicans-keep-saying-that-the-united-states-isnt-a-democracy 

the us is a democracy do know at all what youre talking about? People VOTE for the representatives of a state to vote for the president by definition that is a democratic republic
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"by definition that is a democratic republic"  We agree to disagree. The Congo is a Democratic Republic. Are you saying The US govt is identical to the govt of the Congo?
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You realize that different countries work governments differently even if they use the same name right? The soviet union and china aren't/weren't the same just because they're both communist. please read the article I sent you.
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The Constitution establishes a federal democratic republic form of government. That is, we have an indivisible union of 50 sovereign States. It is a democracy because people govern themselves. It is representative because people choose elected officials by free and secret ballot.
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We agree to disagree. The US is a Constitutional Republic. You can tell me it is a Democratic Republic until you are blue in the face, I wont agree. The Congo is a Democratic Republic.

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you have no argument; different countries work governments differently again the soviet union and china were both communist; but they werent the same.
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Wrong, the US is a constitutional republic,  It never was called a "democratic republic", What sets the US apart from all other republics is the electoral college. 

"Madison realised the problems that plagued direct democracies and instead sought to establish a Constitutional Republic. In a Constitutional Republic, rather than the legal power of the government stemming from the people, it is instead derived from the Constitution itself. The term Constitutional Republic can be clearly understood when analysing each word separately. The “Constitutional” aspect of the Republic means that the Constitution is the supreme law of the United States while the term “Republic” means that the power of the government is held by the people but is exercised by elected representatives. This differentiation in power helps to protect the Republic from being subject to “mob rule”, as originally described by Plato. This difference makes it so that, although by definition the United States is a democracy, every vote is not always equal. In Presidential elections, this inequality is addressed in the Electoral College where states gain a specified number of votes based on their census. The Electoral College allows for votes throughout the country to matter, rather than being reliant upon a small number of urban centers."

That is the key difference between a Democratic Republic and a Constitutional Republic. In a Democratic republic there is no electoral collage. 51% of the voters can tell 49% of the voters to fuck off. That means only the most populated areas would have any representation.  The founding fathers new this and created the electoral college to prevent system of govt like a democratic republic. No where in the founding documents is our system of govt ever referred to a a Democratic Republic. People are making that shit up. It is however referred to as a Constitutional Republic as can be denoted in the above Quote from James Madison. The other key difference is in a Constitutional Republic, the laws are overseen by the elected representatives where as in a Democratic Republic laws are over seen by the voting majority. 

  • The United States Constitution was designed to safeguard against overly centralized, tyrannical power. The United States is a constitutional republic in which Congress oversees legislative matters.
 A Democratic Republic (DR) on the other hand is a republic where the laws are democratically dealt with, in other words, by the sustaining of the majority. 
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Watch this video i'm to tired to make an argument. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6HFdSCDq48    Skip to the part where he talks about america being a democracy.
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I have amended my previous comment. I have no need to watch a video telling me the US is a democratic republic because it is not. I have done my research.