Biden asks supporters to help report people for being rightwing

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The removal of police officers and funds for social workers.

I skimmed this because really, why waste my time. But from what I gather the argument is that we need more police because they don't have time to answer every little thing. Defund the police would help MASSIVELY with this. The reason the cops don't have time to answer every call is that they have so much extra shit they have to deal with that shouldn't require a cop. A drunk guy, homeless people, domestic disturbances etc. If we had social workers and addiction experts dealing with all those other calls cops would be freed up to actually respond to real crimes. 

so your video seems to be a good example of why defund the police is a great idea. 
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so your video seems to be a good example of why defund the police is a great idea. 

Thanks!
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This item that Wylted brought to my attention yesterday show a pretty good example of what "defunded" police looks like.  The Fixated Persons Investigation Unit are cops with a mental health specialization.  They look for OCD stalkers, mass shooters, etc who are about to pop and try to come in with a mental health intervention before the situation explodes.


I'm seeing a huge number of police depts. in the US hiring mental health professionals and socials workers since George Floyd.  Police are certainly trying harder to meet mental health crises with a trained and qualified response rather than throwing fairly law abiding people against the heavily armed front of a police emergency response.  "Defund the Police" was always a stupid, deliberately provocative name for the idea that BLM endorsed (and has been promoted in academic CJ circles for 30 yrs) but we can see that the idea (minus the name) is being adopted right now with good results across the democratic world.
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Whether or not they were right is irrelevant to their crimes. They tried to overthrow democracy. 
Not if they were right, than they were trying to protect a democratically elected leader from a Washington coup

1) please provide a source for that assertion. I'm guessing you got it from some idiot on the internet. 
Nope, it was big news when it happened. It's literally the first Google result of "FBI to target Ron Paul supporters" 

you are again arguing for something that has absolutely no evidence. You claim the government will round these people up when all available evidence says they are looking for right wing terrorists (the most common type of terrorist in america). You are choosing what you want to be true then picking and choosing which information you want to believe based on that. 
This reminds me of the Jews who were in denial about their names being collected by the Nazis.

Do you know how much evidence existed for pol apot genociding his people, when it was happening? Liberals denied it was happening and said conservatives were being dramatic. 
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In perhaps a lead up to what is about to happen with false flags, biden is asking citizens to report on people with  right wing views possibly to be rounded up later. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/15/biden-administration-asks-americans-to-report-potentially-radicalized-friends-and-family/
Can you please point me to where in this article Biden said anything even remotely like this?

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He is asking that radicalized people be reported. Don't take the word radical to liberally. I have been following far left groups and your average boomer would be considered radicalized by them for merely believing in a constitutional republic over a straight democracy
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Once America decides taking selfies and cosplaying in the Capitol is an "attack", America then has zero moral ground to condemn any other nation on the planet for how they treat their political opposition.
This is just a whole new level of stupid.

Focusing in on the selfies while ignoring the barricades plowed through, the windows broken, the 140 officers injured, the deficating in the hallways, the chants of hanging the VP, the breaking into of congressional offices, and the clearing out of both chambers for the first time since 9/11… is the laziest attempt at propaganda I’ve ever seen. Do better.
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He is asking that radicalized people be reported
Radicalized… *towards violence *. You seem to have conveniently left that part out.

Is there a reason you take issue with this?
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Intent and mindset matters.
So does reality.

There is no evidence for what they believe, it’s all made up. That is an important factor in sentencing. A person willing to act violently on their belief is a danger to society. A person willing to act violently and is gullible enough to believe crackpot conspiracy theories… that’s another level.

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There were people celebrating the imprisonment of political opposition in Russia too. America isn't special anymore.
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Did you know the FBI listed Ron Paul bumper stickers as a warning that somebody was a terrorist? Usually you don't tell people they are going to get rounded up. You build the list first and then make it a surprise so they have no time to react
1) please provide a source for that assertion. I'm guessing you got it from some idiot on the internet. 
Nope, it was big news when it happened. It's literally the first Google result of "FBI to target Ron Paul supporters" 
Of course, if Wylted provided a source, his assertion would be disproved.

  • In 2011, the Missouri Information Analysis Center wrote a report for the Missouri State Patrol about the increasing militarism and extremism of local militia groups, most specifically the increase in  neo-Nazi identifications
    • So NOT the FBI
    • There was a lot of advice about how to identify militia affiliations including the fact that militias tend to support independent  and outsider candidates and used Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, and Ron Paul as examples.
      • Let's recall some of the opinions that made Paul popular with the Nazis:
        • "We can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city [Washington DC] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."
        • "I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense... for the animals are coming"
        • "Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities."
        • "HIV-positive homosexuals enjoy the pity and attention that comes with being sick  Sodomy=Death."
        • "Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day."


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i hereby would like to report all the right wingers of DebateArt 
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There were people celebrating the imprisonment of political opposition in Russia too. America isn't special anymore.
You didn’t even attempt to respond to anything I said or substantiate anything you said. Why do you bother?

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Whether or not they were right is irrelevant to their crimes. They tried to overthrow democracy. 
Not if they were right, than they were trying to protect a democratically elected leader from a Washington coup
nope. There are legal methods to challenge election results. So even if they were right (which they obviously aren't) they would still be traitors trying to overthrow democracy. 

1) please provide a source for that assertion. I'm guessing you got it from some idiot on the internet. 
Nope, it was big news when it happened. It's literally the first Google result of "FBI to target Ron Paul supporters" 

so provide a source or I will just assume you got it from some idiot on right wing blog.

This reminds me of the Jews who were in denial about their names being collected by the Nazis.
You know who else collects your name? whatever town you live in, every company you've ever shopped at, your cell phone, most tech companies etc. The list of groups that collect your information is a mile long. By your logic, we should assume they are all nazi's coming to kill us.

Do you know how much evidence existed for pol apot genociding his people, when it was happening? Liberals denied it was happening and said conservatives were being dramatic. 
ok. so because a genocide happened once and there was evidence it was going to happen, we should assume a genocide is always coming even when there is absolutely no evidence this is true? do you actually stop and think about the things you write, or is it just a stream of consciousness thing? because alot of what you write makes no sense. 
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Of course, if Wylted provided a source, his assertion would be disproved.
interesting. I did try to find what he was talking about but didn't have any luck. I can see why he refused to provide a source. He probably has no idea where the info came from. He is likely just regurgitating something he got off some right wing blog and has no idea what he is talking about. 

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nope. There are legal methods to challenge election results. So even if they were right (which they obviously aren't) they would still be traitors trying to overthrow
If the government is corrupt and it is stolen than go to the corrupt government and plead that they stop playing unfair?

That sounds ridiculous 
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Oromagi proved my claim that the government was targeting ron Paul supporters. I am not sure how he thinks he disprove me

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ok. so because a genocide happened once and there was evidence it was going to happen, we should assume a genocide is always coming even when there is absolutely no evidence this is true?
The evidence was only obvious in retrospect. The evidence now is the attempt to gather names at all. Antifa has also publicly stated they will be going after names of conservatives for when they have power
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nope. There are legal methods to challenge election results. So even if they were right (which they obviously aren't) they would still be traitors trying to overthrow
If the government is corrupt and it is stolen than go to the corrupt government and plead that they stop playing unfair?
there are these places called courts. If you think someone committed a crime, you go to them and provide evidence. The republicans alleged lots and lots of things in courts. They got virtually every single one of them thrown out because they didn't have a shred of evidence. 

If you think an election is stolen, you 1st need evidence this happened. so far literally none has been found. So if you think it is justified to overthrow democracy based on internet rumors with no supporting evidence, then I guess you really want a dictatorship. 

Oromagi proved my claim that the government was targeting ron Paul supporters. I am not sure how he thinks he disprove me
no, he disproved it. A report got written about how to identify extremists. One tiny part of that report was that they often support outsider candidates such as ron paul. This in no way says they are "targeting ron paul supporters". They used it as an example of one data point that could help point law enforcement in the right direction. Investigators do this all the time to help them narrow down a suspect pool. 

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The evidence was only obvious in retrospect. The evidence now is the attempt to gather names at all. 
so gathering names is a sign of genocide? So grocery stores are about to commit genocide? They gather names too, like most other businesses and organizations. Trump and the republicans like to gather names too, I guess trump wants to kill you. 

Antifa has also publicly stated they will be going after names of conservatives for when they have power
why would I care what Antifa states? they are a tiny fringe group with little to no effect on public policy or the country. The right just loves to pretend they are some huge threat in order to scare people. 
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there are these places called courts. If you think someone committed a crime, you go to them and provide evidence. The republicans alleged lots and lots of things in courts. They got virtually every single one of them thrown out because they didn't have a shred of evidence. 

Maybe the jews should have went to Hitler's courts. Running away from the camps was unethical because they could have appealed to courts. 

Maybe the founding forefathers should have went to British courts instead of illegally revolting. 

If the government did something wrong than you should go to the government to convict themselves I guess. 
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so gathering names is a sign of genocide? So grocery stores are about to commit genocide? They gather names too, like most other businesses and organizations. Trump and the republicans like to gather names too, I guess trump wants to kill you. 
Gathering names of political opponentsnis probably a red flag, yes.

why would I care what Antifa states? they are a tiny fringe group with little to no effect on public policy or the country. The right just loves to pretend they are some huge threat in order to scare people. 

Biden seemed not to have very strong language toward them if he isn't condemning or criticizing them than it must mean he wants their support. 

They did form a successful even if temporary coup in Seattle though. 
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Maybe the jews should have went to Hitler's courts. Running away from the camps was unethical because they could have appealed to courts. 
this comparison is stupid. The two situations are in no way comparable. Republicans have easy access to the courts. They brought lots of lawsuits alleging fraud. They couldn't prove a single example though. 

Maybe the founding forefathers should have went to British courts instead of illegally revolting. 
One of the core principals of the revolution was no taxation without representation. The point was that they didn't have a voice in the government that decided to raise taxes on them. Therefore there was no court you could go to. So, again, the two cases are in no way comparable. 

If the government did something wrong than you should go to the government to convict themselves I guess. 
the courts are not "the government". They are an independent branch that does not answer to elected officials. The alternative to going to the courts is using violence to overthrow the government when you don't like the results of an election. That is how the 3rd world does things. And that is how trump's cultists wish it could be done in america. 

Gathering names of political opponentsnis probably a red flag, yes.
a couple of different things. 1) They aren't looking for "political opponents". one small piece of the overall information happens to include political affiliation. But since that affiliation does correlate with right wing terrorism, it is a complete lie to say they are somehow targeting "political opponents". 

2) this was just in a report. They weren't actually doing this. They were saying this could be used as one piece of information to help narrow down potential terrorists. 

Biden seemed not to have very strong language toward them if he isn't condemning or criticizing them than it must mean he wants their support. 
lol trump refused to condemn murderers, terrorists, the KKK, Putin etc. Are you saying Trump is secretly a klan member? Also, as I have told you over and over and over, Antifa is a tiny fringe group. why would the president of the United states need to comment on some tiny insignificant group?

They did form a successful even if temporary coup in Seattle though. 
what? that wasn't antifa. I'm guessing this is another one of those boogey man things the right blames on them to gin up fear. 
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this comparison is stupid. The two situations are in no way comparable. Republicans have easy access to the courts. They brought lots of lawsuits alleging fraud. They couldn't prove a single example though. 
If the election was stolen, does that make the government corrupt? Yes or no?


a couple of different things. 1) They aren't looking for "political opponents". one small piece of the overall information happens to include political affiliation. But since that affiliation does correlate with right wing terrorism, it is a complete lie to say they are somehow targeting "political opponents". 

How do you know what they are looking for? 

They are asking for people who have very radical beliefs that are right wing. What do you think they'll do with this list of wrong thinkers?

what? that wasn't antifa. I'm guessing this is another one of those boogey man things the right blames on them to gin up fear. 
It literally was LOL. I've seen footage inside the autonomous zone, these people admit to it. 

Also why do you think conservatives are terrorists? Right wing terrorism isn't really a thing that happens very often. 
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If the election was stolen, does that make the government corrupt? Yes or no?
in and of itself? no. Even if it was stolen there is no reason to believe the government was involved. And even if the government were involved, the judiciary is a completely separate branch. 

How do you know what they are looking for?
I've yet to see any evidence this was ever actually used. So far, as far as I know, it was included in a report once. so you haven't shown that they have ever actually done this. 

They are asking for people who have very radical beliefs that are right wing. What do you think they'll do with this list of wrong thinkers?
is this a serious question? They will look for terrorists. That is what the entire report was about.

It literally was LOL. I've seen footage inside the autonomous zone, these people admit to it. 
you've seen footage of people inside the autonomous zone.... oh my god. lol. so again, you are just pulling shit out of your ass and claiming you've seen "footage".

Also why do you think conservatives are terrorists?
no one has ever said that conservatives are terrorists. But right wing terrorists would identify as conservative. 

Right wing terrorism isn't really a thing that happens very often. 
it's the most common type of terrorism in america. But since it is white people doing it, the media rarely calls it that. 


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it's the most common type of terrorism in america. But since it is white people doing it, the media rarely calls it that. 

The media was on the BLM bandwagon before it existed. They have been decidedly pretty anti white
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The media was on the BLM bandwagon before it existed. 
you were talking about antifa. now you're talking about BLM. You know those aren't the same thing right? Or do you just want so much right wing propaganda that they are all just scary monsters to you?

They have been decidedly pretty anti white
nope. Only a racist could hear the words "black lives matter" and think that is anti-white. A non-racist would hear that and think "of course black lives matter". BLM isn't trying to take things away from white people. They want black people to be treated the way white people already are. But the right just sees scary black people and try to paint them as terrorists or something. 
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you were talking about antifa. now you're talking about BLM. You know those aren't the same thing right? Or do you just want so much right wing propaganda that they are all just scary monsters to you?
That was in response to you saying the media is racist against blacks. 

nope. Only a racist could hear the words "black lives matter" and think that is anti-white. A non-racist would hear that and think "of course black lives matter". BLM isn't trying to take things away from white people. They want black people to be treated the way white people already are. But the right just sees scary black people and try to paint them as terrorists or something. 

I said the media was anti white not BLM. 
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That was in response to you saying the media is racist against blacks. 
I didn't say that. I think you mean when i said that when white people commit terrorism they don't call it terrorism. And, in general, when a white person commits terrorism the media is usually much less inclined to call it that unless it is extremely blatant. 

I said the media was anti white not BLM. 
so the groups controlled and funded by rich white men, are anti-white? Do you even listen to yourself?