In perhaps a lead up to what is about to happen with false flags, biden is asking citizens to report on people with right wing views possibly to be rounded up later. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/15/biden-administration-asks-americans-to-report-potentially-radicalized-friends-and-family/
Biden asks supporters to help report people for being rightwing
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It's an established scientific fact that every time someone says "false flag" their perceived intelligence quotient drops an average of 1.6 points.
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@oromagi
Israel did something now referred to as "Bad Business" in Egypt several decades back. They bombed american businesses to get them on their side in a war .
False flags happen. In fact it is also common practice for warships to use another nations flag on their ship to cause confusion.
Even leaving out 9/11. False flags are well documented facts. They happen.
Glad you are taking these tactics so lightly. The exact tactics pol pot used to go after his political enemies .
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@Wylted
Jan 6 is already established as a false flag.
The fact that it gets pushed daily by CNN is proof enough.
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@Greyparrot
I agree Isaw video of undercover cops (aka agent provacauters) in the crowd and coordinating.
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@Wylted
The only person that died was a scary woman armed with a Maga hat.
Shot clean through the throat.
But the DC cops were mostly peaceful so its OK.
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@Wylted
Putin in a recent interview questioned why so many Americans were willing to tolerate the government shooting protesting citizens in the neck and jailing 450 of them all as political prisoners.
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@Wylted
In perhaps a lead up to what is about to happen with false flags, biden is asking citizens to report on people with right wing views possibly to be rounded up later. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/15/biden-administration-asks-americans-to-report-potentially-radicalized-friends-and-family/
He asked people to report potential domestic terrorists. Most terrorism committed in the US isn't some scary foreigner. It is american citizens. No one is talking about "rounding up" right wing people. They are talking about keeping an eye on potentially radicalized terrorists.
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@Greyparrot
Putin in a recent interview questioned why so many Americans were willing to tolerate the government shooting protesting citizens in the neck and jailing 450 of them all as political prisoners.
no protesters got arrested. Once they entered the capitol they stopped being protesters and became traitors actively trying to overthrow democracy. Their stated goal was to stop the results of a democratic election from being accepted so they could install the loser as president. The moment they attacked the capitol they went from protesters to insurrectionists.
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@HistoryBuff
Once they entered the capitol they stopped being protesters and became traitors actively trying to overthrow democracy. Their stated goal was to stop the results of a democratic election from being accepted so they could install the loser as president. The moment they attacked the capitol they went from protesters to insurrectionists.
Once America decides taking selfies and cosplaying in the Capitol is an "attack", America then has zero moral ground to condemn any other nation on the planet for how they treat their political opposition.
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@Greyparrot
Once America decides taking selfies and cosplaying in the Capitol is an "attack", America then has zero moral ground to condemn any other nation on the planet for how they treat their political opposition.
a group of armed and organized men and women attacked the capitol building for the express purpose of preventing the results of a democratic election from being certified. They did this in the hope of installing the loser of the election as president, thus overthrowing democracy.
That is the most serious attack on america in a long, long time. If they had managed to succeed in their goal they could have done massive damage. They could have potentially ended democracy in america.
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@HistoryBuff
The only people armed and dangerous in that building were the DC police.
Lethal as it turned out.
If they had managed to succeed in their goal they could have done massive damage.
If cosplay shamans taking selfies destroyed the entire government of Washington DC, then America would have deserved to fall.
It's going to fall anyway when poor people see the new and improved inflation.
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@Greyparrot
The only people armed and dangerous in that building were the DC police.Lethal as it turned out.
so you're saying the people who were supposed to defend democracy were armed? of course they were. So were the people attacking them. And the guy who planted pipe bombs.
If cosplay shamans taking selfies destroyed the entire government of Washington DC, then America would have deserved to fall.
Being an idiot isn't a defense for having committed terrible crimes. They wanted to overthrow democracy. They tried to overthrow democracy. The fact that they are incredibly stupid does not, in any way, reduce the severity of their crimes.
It's going to fall anyway when poor people see the new and improved inflation.
why? overthrowing a government wouldn't help that. It would just add more chaos and make everything worse. But you're right, most trump supporters are very stupid and would probably think violence would help somehow.
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@Greyparrot
The only people armed and dangerous in that building were the DC police.Lethal as it turned out.
so you're saying the people who were supposed to defend democracy were armed? of course they were. So were the people attacking them. And the guy who planted pipe bombs.
If cosplay shamans taking selfies destroyed the entire government of Washington DC, then America would have deserved to fall.
Being an idiot isn't a defense for having committed terrible crimes. They wanted to overthrow democracy. They tried to overthrow democracy. The fact that they are incredibly stupid does not, in any way, reduce the severity of their crimes.
It's going to fall anyway when poor people see the new and improved inflation.
why? overthrowing a government wouldn't help that. It would just add more chaos and make everything worse. But you're right, most trump supporters are very stupid and would probably think violence would help somehow.
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@HistoryBuff
No one is talking about "rounding up" right wing people. They are talking about keeping an eye on potentially radicalized terrorists.
Did you know the FBI listed Ron Paul bumper stickers as a warning that somebody was a terrorist? Usually you don't tell people they are going to get rounded up. You build the list first and then make it a surprise so they have no time to react
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@HistoryBuff
a group of armed and organized men and women attacked the capitol building for the express purpose of preventing the results of a democratic election from being certified. They did this in the hope of installing the loser of the election as president, thus overthrowing democracy.
Intent and mindset matters. They thought Trump won. What if declassified documents come out 20 years from now showing they were right? Do we then get to call the police stopping them a part of an coup?
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@Wylted
Intent and mindset matters. They thought Trump won.
if I think you are sleeping with my wife and then I murder you, whether or not you actually did it doesn't matter. I still committed murder. Whether or not they were right is irrelevant to their crimes. They tried to overthrow democracy. And the fact that every single case alleging some kind of fraud was thrown out of court for having no evidence is definitely a factor too. It is readily apparent that there was no significant amounts of fraud. They chose to believe in fairy tales and then tried to overthrow democracy based on that insanity.
There are legal methods to challenge an election. The republicans used them all but had absolutely no evidence that any significant fraud happened. Choosing to violently overthrow democracy because you can't find any evidence for your delusions in order to use the legal methods is not something we can permit.
What if declassified documents come out 20 years from now showing they were right?
what if 20 years later documents proved you really were sleeping with my wife? I would still be guilty of murder. And they would still be guilty of the slew of crimes they committed trying to destroy democracy.
Do we then get to call the police stopping them a part of an coup?
this doesn't make any sense so I don't know how to respond.
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@Wylted
Did you know the FBI listed Ron Paul bumper stickers as a warning that somebody was a terrorist? Usually you don't tell people they are going to get rounded up. You build the list first and then make it a surprise so they have no time to react
1) please provide a source for that assertion. I'm guessing you got it from some idiot on the internet.
2) you are again arguing for something that has absolutely no evidence. You claim the government will round these people up when all available evidence says they are looking for right wing terrorists (the most common type of terrorist in america). You are choosing what you want to be true then picking and choosing which information you want to believe based on that.
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@HistoryBuff
But you're right, most trump supporters are very stupid and would probably think violence would help somehow.
They are getting smarter. Soon they will be as competent as Antifa at influencing policies through intimidation.
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@Greyparrot
They are getting smarter. Soon they will be as competent as Antifa at influencing policies through intimidation.
they attacked the capitol and tried to overthrow democracy. No one else in the history of america has ever tried to directly destroy democracy. They are far, far more dangerous than antifa.
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@HistoryBuff
They are just less successful as Antifa. Nobody voted for Antifa. We are not a Democracy anyway, but Antifa is creating a new Democracy based on mob rule and intimidation. You are welcome.
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@Greyparrot
They are just less successful as Antifa
Antifa hasn't ever really accomplished anything. They are a fringe group largely ignored by the entire country (other than the right that loves to pretend they are some sort of threat).
These insane trumpists have largely taken over the republican party. They have now tried to overthrow democracy itself. Antifa is nowhere near as dangerous as they are.
Nobody voted for Antifa.
Of course not. They are a fringe protest group that barely matters at all.
We are not a Democracy anyway,
If the trump cultists get their way, no America would become a monarchy. But for the moment America is still a democracy.
but Antifa is creating a new Democracy based on mob rule and intimidation.
Antifa has never had any meaningful impact on American politics. They are little more than a right wing scape goat. They are the modern day version of the red scare from the cold War. A boogeyman meant to distract and scare people. Like those dangerous convoys that were supposedly coming right before the midterm elections. Then completely vanished without a trace when the midterms were over, never to be mentioned again.
Trumps cultists on the other hand are out there trying to overthrow democracy.
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@HistoryBuff
The entire defund movement was based on Antifa violence and intimidation. I'd say they achieved at least some of their stated goals.
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@Greyparrot
The entire defund movement was based on Antifa violence and intimidation.
no. This idea has been around for awhile. Basically, the government defunded other services and funneled more and more money to the police. So now police are required to deal with things they are not well suited to dealing with. Domestic disturbances, mental health issues, addiction issues etc. The idea to defund the police so that we could actually fund much more useful services has existed longer than Antifa. It has nothing to do with violence or antifa (except in the minds of right wing loons who see antifa behind every corner).
I'd say they achieved at least some of their stated goals.
what goals would those be exactly.
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@HistoryBuff
what goals would those be exactly.
The ones you described.
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@Greyparrot
what goals would those be exactly.The ones you described.
I described antifa having no significant impact on american politics at all. They are a fringe protest group that the right uses as a boogey man. They have accomplished nothing meaningful other than being a useful foil for right wing loons.
So what exactly do you think they have accomplished?
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@HistoryBuff
The removal of police officers and funds for social workers.
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@Wylted
Just to summarize your philosophy as laid out over the last few days:
- COVID is a hoax
- the vaccine is a hoax
- American values are "shitty"
- Jews control US foreign policy
- Nazis are unjustly oppressed
- Democracy in the US is a bad form of govt
- Putin's dictatorship in Russia is a good form of govt
- Trump for life
Is that about it?
I don't know what you're thinking about when you speak of false flags but I think its clear that it would be false for you to fly the American Stars and Stripes. While your philosophy does seem to qualify as mainstream Republicanism these days, I'm confident in saying that any Republican from even fifteen years ago would recognize these as the values of the enemy.
Insert Kondescending Kamala Kackle.