Covid vaccine does rewrite DNA

Have you never had any vaccination?

Not a flu vaccine of any kind, But I have had vaccines for diseases  when I was a small child and had no say in the matter. But those did not alter my DNA. That technology didn't exist.

OK those are your beliefs, they are certainly not mine. No skin off my nose that you injected yourself with something "YOU" think is saving your life. Time will tell. I will wait for time to tell and then determine if I even need it. As it stands now I have a 99.6% chance of survival without it. I see no logical reason to take it. There are 100 things in life that I face every day  that are hundreds of more time likely to kill me. Why risk being permanently injured or killed by an experimental vaccine. And that is what it is whether you want to "believe" it or not. 

Nor is it used in vaccines today. mRNA vaccines do not alter your DNA.

This isn’t opinion based. I read the research and studied the results obtained from trials. That’s data.

Time is telling. If you’re right that the vaccines present such a massive danger, then there should be widespread harms occurring right now. The supposed risks you’re talking about aren’t happening on even a scale akin to the one you’re claiming for the virus (which, depending on many factors, can increase dramatically). Thousands of people are still dying every week from the virus in the US. The same cannot be said for the vaccine.

We both know the true capacity of what mRNA can do, you can live in your fairytale land where only what you're told is happening is possible.

You will not convince conspiracy theorists they are wrong if you outright lie about what mRNA can do and is capable of.

I don't know what you think you understand based on this article, but it's not saying what you think it's saying.

The article is talking about certain mRNAs differentially modifying gene expression (depending on the cell type, it might boost or restrict that expression) based on the incorporation of specific epigenetic markers (in this case, m6a). Setting aside the fact that no such markers exist on the mRNAs used in these vaccines (it's unclear why they would even try this) and assuming they are there, that's not genetic modification. There is no genetic change occurring as a result of these markers, just a change in gene expression levels. That can be consequential as well, but in order to make any kind of gene expression changes, the mRNA sequence that's being introduced has to have a corollary in the genome (i.e. a site that looks a lot like the actual sequence), otherwise the presence of any epigenetic marker isn't going to do anything of consequence. This is a problem for your argument because the specific sequence we're talking about (the one that expresses the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein) doesn't have any sequences like it in the human genome, meaning that even if it had this particular epigenetic marker, it wouldn't do anything to modify gene expression in human cells.

So I'm not sure where you think I'm lying about mRNA's capabilities, but you certainly seem a tad disingenuous when it comes to your interpretation of papers like this. Based on my reading of this and other work, it's pretty clear that mRNA can do a lot, but that doesn't mean that you can impose magical qualities on it. The fairy tale is believing that it can modify your genome. There's no evidence for it.

I'm getting the Moderna vaccine Saturday. Need a cert for indoor drinking, bring it on haha. 

I got the Moderna vaccine a couple of months ago. I had no problems.

Thanks for saying so haha. I was feeling the spook a little bit. 

It was a response to you claiming the vaccine was not experimental. 

It certainly has not been around long enough to know if it will have drastic effects 25 years from now, like exposure to asbestos does. 

We also have the fact it could create some virtually undetectable side effects. Let's say if it decreased aggressions in people with the warrior gene by 1%, we would never be able to quantify and know that effect occurred. 

We also have an establishment who likely feels incentivized to hide certain effects as well, if they believe that the pros outweigh the cons anyway, and that openly talking about those effects will negatively impact adherence to getting the jab.

The vaccines were experimental. I don't think they are anymore. If your concern is about what happens 25 years down the line, then I'd have to ask what makes you think anything in the vaccine lasts that long in our bodies. Asbestos has an inherently long latency period because they lodge in the lungs where they eventually cause a lot of scarring as a result of immune responses to a foreign material. Pieces of asbestos may be expelled, but many just sit there and don't disappear. By contrast, the mRNA and its products last for about 72 hours before being eliminated from the body. So, you're right that we can't know what will happen in 25 years, but it's also important to consider whether those long term effects are at all likely based on what we do know. If we know that there are no remaining traces of the vaccine after a few days, then it's reasonable to question why we should concern ourselves with the negative effects of the vaccine 25 years down the line.

As for causing "virtually undetectable side effects", I honestly don't understand this argument. Setting aside that the actual impact of the so-called "warrior gene" on aggressive behavior is still up for debate despite expansive research (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41398-021-01257-2), I find myself baffled by this point because, if the concern is that there may be all manner of undetectable effects, then why aren't you attributing the same potential harms to the virus itself? We're talking about far more than an individual protein being expressed from SARS-CoV-2, which makes any effects it has on us far more multifaceted and complex than what the vaccine could do. I'm not dismissing the potential for the vaccine to cause some form of difficult-to-detect harm, but I'm honestly wondering why this potential harm is unique to the vaccine.

As for the "establishment" somehow hiding "certain effects", I've never understood this argument. Who is the establishment and how could they possibly hide any and all negative side effects across a massive, several hundred million person population spanning multiple countries? The existence of bias in the medical establishment for getting the vaccine doesn't somehow erase the individual's capacity to make very public any symptoms they're having, and if there were enough to present a substantial concern, then I don't see how any amount of bias could stop that information from leaking out. My view is that there is a problem with people making a huge deal out of harms that haven't happened or been proven to result from these vaccines. We're seeing that right now. That doesn't mean that doctors are actively trying to suppress information on actual and substantial harms that exist, since those tend to be sticking points when it comes to future care.

I do. I wonder if their could be undetectable like radiations that semi randomly rotate around space undetected that could have undetectable impacts on populations. Such as a type of wave that would impact our ability to feel empathy by just 3% wouldn't be detectable, but would have pretty harmful impacts. 

I guess I just favor the undetectable impacts of nature, because it has likely evolved over billions of years to also have undetectable type responses to mitigate those damaged, when human tinkering doesn't have such natural opposite forces to balance it like nature. 

You know the circle of life and all. I heard of stories where cats are introduced in areas that have never seen them to deal with rat problems and then the cat problem ends up causing more environmental damage. Things like that, which nature wouldn't have allowed, but man fucked up. 

It's the old story of Frankenstein's monster. You just have no ideal the forces you are messing with.

This is why I believe we should go full scale ahead and do whatever it takes to create a super AI who can measure impacts better than humans, and allow them to make all the decisions for us. 

As far as the establishment hiding things. It is kinda like the unwritten rules we find ourselves having when in environments with other smart people. We don't talk about the collective lies we find mutually beneficial. We just silently push them. If there was serious concerns, I don't see why those legitimate concerns would not be treated precisely identical to the conspiracy theories which are dismissed with nobody looking into them.

Sounds like wanton speculation to me. By that metric, any treatment, intervention or preventative measure is of similar risk because we’ll never be able to detect these harms. 

I don’t find the analogies very convincing. These vaccines utilize natural immune responses by introducing something innocuous that the immune system can recognize. That’s a system we understand quite well, very distinct from the Dr. Frankenstein story. I’d say that introducing an effective delivery system for that antigen has very little in common with introducing a non-native animal into a novel environment, especially as the latter has more to do with disrupting ecosystems, while the former just introduces another target for the immune system to recognize among the many it already does. These kinds of comparisons strike me as demonizing a technology by twisting its function rather than addressing how it actually works.

As for your response on “the establishment”, I’ve said what I’m going to say there. I’m still unclear on who they are and why you appear to believe that everyone suffering from ill effects of these vaccines would keep it quiet. Those are both conspiracies on a level that requires mass buy-in to a degree that I, frankly, don’t believe exists on any issue, much less one as politically-charged as this.

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I want an Unk-unk spin-off. 

"In a span of one week, the number of deaths due to COVID-19 vaccines reported to the government's database outnumbered the official count of deaths due to the virus.
The government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS, contains voluntary, unverified reports of adverse events following immunization with U.S.-licensed vaccines. But it's estimated that only between 1% and 10% of the adverse events that occur are reported to VAERS."

A disclaimer on the Vaers website notes that data “may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information” and “cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency or rates of problems associated with vaccines.”

The CDC says it has investigated the 4,000-plus reports of death from Covid-19 vaccines through May 10 and found no “causal link” to any Covid-19 vaccine, though “recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between” the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and a “rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.”

Vaers “is simply a system for people to report bad things that happen to them after vaccination, whether or not those events are caused by the vaccine,” Dr. William Moss, executive director of the International Vaccine Access Center at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told Forbes.

Starring Tucker Carlson as Unk-unk

Hopefully that would suggest that the U.S. vaccination program and other preventative measures are working.

Here in the U.K. Though covid infections are still prevalent, serious problems and deaths have now been significantly reduced, thanks to the rapid vaccination roll out and adherence to social distancing advice.

Vaccination comes with a minimal risk, as does going to the supermarket, but the benefits far outweigh the risks.

And conspiracy theories abound.....And  conspiracy theorists, skim read a bit of social media propaganda and then promote themselves as scientific experts.

And the fact remains that thanks to scientific study and the development of medical interventions, we all live a whole lot longer than we would have done without it.

"longest running evolution experiment" Whole video is good but at 14:05 he goes into what he finds most interesting resultant in this ongoing experiment that he has been a part of.