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@Reece101
I don't 'know the percentages of all the countries in the world,
But let's talk Americans, so I'm not just bashing other countries.
Maybe other countries might be concerned if Americans were crossing their borders will nilly,
What with some Americans disliking getting vaccinations, or our number of people who've served prison time.
I don't see an issue with wanting a strong border, with checks on who's becoming a citizen, or visiting.

Now let's talk other countries,
It's 'better to not be a blatant communist, as one might assume a great number of Chinese are.
What's wrong with just checking if people understand our country, are coming to assimilate, rather than propagate?

I'll admit, I would 'never want Trump as a speaker for my cause.
Not that I really 'have a cause,
But I do have issues I support and oppose.

As a final note, wouldn't it be a bit of insanity for Israel and it's neighbors 'not to pay attention to their borders?
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And your point is what?  You said you are going to use it in a speech. The question still stands. I will give a more accurate opinion if I know how you are going to use the quote and to what end. You are clearly trying to establish a narrative, so what is it? To bring attention to the unchecked illegal immigration on the southern boarder or to play the race card and try and paint Trump as a racist by presenting the quote with a race baiting narrative. I am guessing the later. Its so predictable.
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2015 I mean. And I was pulling your leg.

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I really don't know what you are doing or what your point even is.
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Well you said you wouldn’t vote for me so I feed you part of Trump’s campaign announcement speech instead. 
I’m starting to understand how Ebuc feels.
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@Reece101
You asked my opinion, but obfuscate  what your narrative will be when using it in a speech.  Are "YOU" making a speech and going to use this quote in your speech to establish a political narrative or are you saying someone made a speech and this is a quote from the speech and you want me to interpret what I think is being implied by the quote with out any context IE: Excluding what was said both before and after the quote. Your motives in this are so transparent and obvious its laughable. I know and everyone else knows you are trying to take a quote out of context and use it to create a racist narrative like the race baiter that you are. Do you really think you are being clever? I am having a conversation with a predictable ideology and a political narrative not a free thinking person. You could be replaced by anyone in this conversation who shares your views and ideology and I wouldn't know  it.
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@sadolite
"My number one worry in the world"
Mine is the spiritual concern for 8 billion  --- and rising -- people,  and the ecological systems that sustain them.

Without spirit of all-for-one and one-for-all,---requires spirit-of-trust accountability in fairness { justice }--   humanity is doomed around the year 2232.
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@ebuc
"humanity is doomed around the year 2232." why not the year 2189 or the year 2229 or the year 2134? Sounds pretty fucking arbitrary.

If one cant find a job earn money and feed themselves who gives a shit about anything. You can take your one for all and all for one and die all together because govt has decimated the ability for anyone to earn a living by destroying the economy with unsustainable worthless debt that can never be repaid. If communism is your answer, I'd rather just die. I'd be murdered anyway, the history of communism dictates that I would be anyway. Spiritualty really. I guess we can all pray and sacrifice our children and eat them. 
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@ebuc
This describes you and your "all for one and one for all plan" and how it will play out: I describe what I am posting so people will have an idea of what they are going to look at. I hate when people just put a link with no context, I never watch them. But anyway>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Onj4Wx61ps
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@sadolite
why not the year 2189 or the year 2229 or the year 2134? Sounds pretty fucking arbitrary.
My thread explaining how I came to that conclusion is in soceity catagory. First posted in some months back if interest is sincere I can find it for you.

Spiritualty really. I guess we can all pray and sacrifice our children and eat them. 

Huh? It appears your headed off the railroad track of sanity for no rational, logical common sense reasons  and creating a false and misleading narrative from what i stated. Lack of rationa, logical common  is the pathway  tp insanity.   Sorry, I have no desire to follow such  insane paths, if I can avoid them. Hope you can understand my choice of sanity of chaos, insanity, disorder, and all the other you suggest.

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This describes you and your "all for one and one for all plan" and how it will play out:..... But anyway>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Onj4Wx61ps
 
Wow it appears you and him are on the same frequency.  Lot of anger and rage underlying a darkness of mind possessed   demons of narrow-mindedness that has not hope and is not looking for  a spiritual path forward. Sad :--( and very derpressing. More so than my end date for humanity prognostications yet, part or most of the reason my end date for humanity is rational logical commo sense conclusion i.e,.

there are many with narrow-minded { possessed ], demonic [ possesed } mind set that cannot see hope, spiritulity, farirness, justice and moral fortitude in humanity. I understand how that happenes,  I just avoid following such a depressing, narrow-minded, mind-set.  Hope you get better soon as we all need to get better going forward if there is any chance of humanity not goiing out in 2232.

Best wishes and may the force of hope be with you sadolite.

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@Lemming
Yep...He's a clever eloquent Guy, and entertaining to watch and listen to.

His drive in interview, seems primarily to confound critics....Which he does capably...... I like his use of fake aggression.

Underneath all the jargon and philosophical quotes, I get the impression that his take on things is very similar to my own...

Common sense, born of the Early 1960's....And therefore a conditioned reactionary to 21st century values and sensibilities.

But always with a regard for, and an acceptance of, the inevitability of change.


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@ebuc
Making me the subject of your uninformed character criticisms only exsposes your tendency to deflect from having to address important issues directly and on record. You don't know anything about me but only have your feelings hurt by intellectual debate. You react by attacking the messenger rather than the message. You wont take hard positions that would affect peoples lives.
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@sadolite
You react by attacking the messenger rather than the message.
In only watched the short clip you linked to. What I learned is what I stated to you previously. 

That you are denial of how you and him both appear ---similar frequency--- is not surprising as you both singing/infering the same hopeless  message.

There is  no hope for humanity so get out the AR-15's, build more bunkers for the priviledged and pray we have enough food, water, ionizing radiation suits { (Y) } and power/juice to outlast the 10000's of hoards of privilied and non-priviled who will be coming to take what we have been storing in our bunkers.

Best wishes and hope you find some hope going forward into our common future on Earth.


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@Lemming
Illegal, undocumented, unvetted, immigrants are a mixed bag.
The populations of some countries, are better than others.

Are these two statements incorrect?
No. I'm not exactly sure what your opinion is but I don't think it's a good idea to look at migrants in a positive light. In my limited experience, assimilation is the only reliable metric to prove worthiness. I study overseas and while i didn't travel far, there was always this expectation of assimilation. I think if I didn't assimilate and instead whined about the host country's culture, I would regularly cheat and deceive the host country's citizens. Well, I'll add that I'll only deceive them if I can completely get away with it. For better or worse, assimilation avoids out-group discrimination and it prevents migrants from committing trivial crimes. While they may not be capable of committing heinous crimes like murder, they are still capable of committing trivial crimes.
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 "That you are denial of how you and him both appear" So appearances is what influences your thinking  here  not the actual message. I would also point out that you already dismissed me as a person who is incapable of intellectual thought by calling me narrow minded.  What will you do with all these narrow minded people in your new utopia lead by you. Do you think I am the only person in this country that thinks like I do? You are already exhibiting the start of dehumanization. I am simply pointing out that all attempts to create fair and equal utopias all end the same way, "genocide" Are you morally superior to me? Do you know what's best for me and everyone else? You couldn't even begin to explain how you would create this "all for one and one for all" utopia. All you can do is regurgitate  vacuous empty platitudes that have no substance or plan. You don't know what you are talking about.
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Well, my opinion per my statement, is that Trump's words can be rephrased in a manner more polite, appreciable by voters.
I feel doubt myself of his ability then or now, to establish any meaningful change.
I'm doubtful of Trump's sincerity to anyone but himself.
Though it's 'possible, he's more capable than I rate him, 'possible he's more selfless than I think.

The values and manners that Republicans 'ought exhibit, act, achieve is there.
Both in themselves and the population,
But the Republican's haven't been savvy about it in a way I appreciate.
Not that I agree with all their platform.
Certainly I haven't voted for Trump last two elections.

American politics has been annoying since I've been aware of it.
Bill Clinton, I was too young to have an opinion.
George W. Bush, we got into that blasted war, and that blasted Patriot Act, TSA.
Barack Obama, that attempt at mandatory health care, drone strikes may have been a damned if you do damned if don't, 'was an excellent speaker who seemed to try to reach across the aisle.
Trump. . . . Trump. . . If found a disaster, I didn't particularly 'agree with the border wall, though I 'did and 'do agree our borders need be secure. The wall seemed a heavy handed divisive way of promoting it. Both 'in America and out. Border wall 'could have been constructed in a non-divisive, But Trump and the Democrats were both 'all about  that division.
The separation policy, ICE, holding centers, were all mishandled. But the issue in my eyes 'Isn't that we don't 'need them. But that we need to secure our borders and law in a humane fashion.

I would have taken much more kindly to Democrats the last terms, if they hadn't been constantly accusing Trump of being a Russian mole,
Disputing the election constantly,
Digging up more dirt, when enough was already there.
Nearly claiming we don't need a border, Bah look at Biden's border failure.
Going with those in favor of defunding the police, only to be backpedaling about it now.
Jumping on the Capital Hill Riot, like it was 911, but 'only cared about law and order when it reached 'their property, 'not when disorder was effecting the common Americans during BLM and such.
Though mind you, I think people have a right to protest, I just think the authorities 'AND the protests could have done better by each other.

Sorry for the rant.
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......"all for one and one for all" utopia. All you can do is regurgitate.....
Reguritating truth does not invalidate it. Sorry sadlite you have no shred of rational, logical common sense, to offer, much any hope {Metaphysical-1 spirit } or prayers { Metaphysical-1 spirit }.  Now I understand why you chose the the name sad-do-lite. Not grounded in reality nor the spirit of common humanity on Earth with peace an good tidying toward all. Sad :---( At worse ___________?
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There's a lot of words being shoved into Jordon Peterson's mouth in this thread.
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Funnily, the complaint that made him famous in the first place. A whole cult sprung up out of pronouns. 
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So it is your position that utopia/Marxist/ socialist/communist govts haven't worked because the right morally superior people haven't tried it yet. In other words it hasn't been actually tried yet. All the previous attempts were just the wrong people. If people with morale superiority such as yourself tried it it would work. All of history since the beginning of time says you are wrong. As far as my user name, I explained that on DDO a long time ago. It was supposed to be sodalite not sadolite. I miss spelled it and didn't catch it until awhile later so I just left it sadolite. "Sodalite" is a type of granite which of course if you new anything about me and what I do for a living you would know why I chose that. You make blank assumptions with no knowledge of anything.     

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OH ya, personal attacks are a reflection on you not me. You cant make any intellectual arguments. Character assassination is your go to crutch when you cant make a coherent intellectual point. You cant even begin to demonstrate how your utopia would work. You already exhibit the makings of the same tyrants of the past, you try to marginalize and dehumanize me. Go ahead and deflect some more, I am not the topic.
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..."Utopia in a nutshell"...
Huh?  You've false narrative and misleadin ranting is in regards me, instead some one else sad-do-dark-mind, please share, as as you have recently made 3 sequential posts with a false narrative of which none reflects anything I've stated. The closet Ive ever come to making any statements about "utopia" of the years here and DDO, was perhaps in reference to Fuller 1969 book,...'Utopia or Oblivion'....

When you want cease false narrative against me and settle your ranting mind, please share with comments that address what I state, and not what you falsely and misleadingly infer/suggest that I stated.

Your type and many other like you,  is why I believe humanity is headed to its oblivion end-date around 2232. Now that is truly a sad-do-lites-out terminal end point.


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There's a lot of words being shoved into Jordon Peterson's mouth in this thread. - MisterChris
Anything in particular?
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It also struck me, that he has an inoffensive voice.
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I think he's usually going for that, it can be a 'bit airy and high pitched at times, though I like his voice overall.
Usually he's appealing or trying to convince people, rather than berate them, I'd say.
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It also struck me, that he has an inoffensive voice.
I've always thought this was about the most important quality a psychologist can possess. I'm dubious about all the rest tbh.
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Well.

He's not necessarily a radical thinker.

As I stated previously, he is typically conditioned with mid to late 20th century values.

But is wise enough and also clever and eloquent enough, to realise the need to compromise and and conform with modern 21st century social politics and ideology.

And the knowledge with which he backs up his subtle contentions is always very difficult for questioners to oppose.

The Guy is undoubtedly very good at what he does...And such ability often fosters resentment.


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@Lemming
Woman age like milk and men age like fine wine is what I would use to describe is philosophy. Women are born with inherent value and men are not. Women control sex and birthing, men control relationships.
I've listened to a lot of Peterson. He's never said anything resembling this, although he has said that there is more pressure for women to have the rest of their lives figured out early before they can no longer have children and are looked down upon. THAT'S reasonable. What's above isn't, and it strikes me as slanderous.