Christians, what are your opinions?
Can Luciferians be Good People?
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@Reece101
I'm not a Christian, but can you be more specific,
Perhaps a link to 'exactly which Luciferian Church and Doctrine, you're referring to?
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@Lemming
Do I really need to give a specific sect? You might as well ask for a specific denomination of Christianity also.
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@Reece101
Christians, what are your opinions?
Generally speaking, no they are not "good" people.
By Christian standards, H-E-double hockey sticks-No.
At best, they deny that the God of Abraham, Jacob, Shem, Moses, Jesus Christ etc. is the one true god, which infracts the first two commandments. At worst, their adherence endorses/compels the practice of ritual child sacrifice as well as sexual congress with children, their consent notwithstanding. (It should be noted that these rituals aren't limited to children.) Luciferians believe in a perverted divine trinity, that is the Father God, the Mother Goddess, and the hermaphrodite (combination of Hermes and Aprhodite) child--the Baphomet, which combined creates the embodiment of Lucifer. I've argued for some time now that the predominant religion on Earth is not Christianity, but Luciferianism because the elite of the most popular "Christian" denomination--Catholicism--including and especially the pope himself are in fact Luciferians. They surreptitiously ingratiate Christians to their Luciferian rituals through innocuous fusions--e.g. "water" baptism.
Most of the "elite," whether they're politicians, international financiers, actors, singers, rappers, athletes, journalists, media personalities and companies (especially Disney), physicians, health officials, lawyers, insurance salesmen, Popes, cardinals, and Bishops etc. are Luciferian. And they hide it in plain sight because many, like Lemming conveyed, have little to no understanding of that which constitutes Luciferianism.
Do I really need to give a specific sect? You might as well ask for a specific denomination of Christianity also.
No, but it may help convey your point if you did. There are many "sects" of Luciferianism which include but are not limited to pantheism, wicca, Kaballah, Satanism, Saturnianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Catholicism, Greek-Roman-Egyptian-Nordic-Kemetic-Sumerian polytheism, etc.
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@Lemming
The so-called Luciferians were a community of Christians that flourished in the late 4th century. They emerged following the Council of Alexandria in 362 as a rigorist Nicene community. However, by the early 5th century, they had apparently completely dissipated. The classic interpretation of how the Luciferians emerged is that they were led by a bishop named Lucifer of Cagliari. A more modern approach has seen the ‘Luciferians’ as a community constructed by rigorists in Rome in the 380s, reaching out to other dissatisfied Christians.
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@FLRW
The so-called Luciferians were a community of Christians that flourished in the late 4th century. They emerged following the Council of Alexandria in 362 as a rigorist Nicene community. However, by the early 5th century, they had apparently completely dissipated. The classic interpretation of how the Luciferians emerged is that they were led by a bishop named Lucifer of Cagliari. A more modern approach has seen the ‘Luciferians’ as a community constructed by rigorists in Rome in the 380s, reaching out to other dissatisfied Christians.
Luciferianism predates the disgruntled bishop from the council of Nicaea, which by the way was a group of pagans headed by Constantine the first. Lucifer and the adherence to its attributes goes as far back as Sumerian mythology (B'aal Innana and Tammuz/Damuzid) The name Lucifer, although Latin in origin, is derivative of Sumerian mythology--particular Inanna, who was known as the morningstar, and bore the emblem.
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@Athias
No, but it may help convey your point if you did.
There was no specific point. Though you did show a lot of hypocrisy in terms of your depiction of Luciferianism verses what God promotes in Christianity.
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@Reece101
Sure, but not very loyal Luciferians.
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@fauxlaw
Luciferians are pretty loyal when they accept dinosaur bones are 66,600,000 years old or older. Lucifer may have planted those bones there, but his evidence can’t be questioned.
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@Reece101
As if I don't accept 66M years. I'm not a 6-day creation, 6,000 year-old earther Christian. That is a bunch of bunk bunko squad drivel.
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@fauxlaw
I’m sorry to say, you’re a Luciferian.
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@Reece101
Nope, just not a mainstream Christian. Too many people in that lane, but it does not limit the smile of Jesus on my face. Not to mention in my .44.
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@Reece101
By man's standard of goodness, sure. People can make up whatever standard they want and decide whether Luciferians are 'good' according to that made up standard.
But by the God's standard, no. Though it is not only Luciferians who cannot be good people. Whether you're talking about Hitler or Gandhi, no one can be a good person. We are all lying, thieving, covetous blasphemers who stand condemned before God. Luciferians might have specific sins and wickedness that characterize them, but that is true about all of us.
At least, that is the Christian answer.
But by the God's standard, no. Though it is not only Luciferians who cannot be good people. Whether you're talking about Hitler or Gandhi, no one can be a good person. We are all lying, thieving, covetous blasphemers who stand condemned before God. Luciferians might have specific sins and wickedness that characterize them, but that is true about all of us.
At least, that is the Christian answer.
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@Reece101
I know this is addressed to christians and I am not. But why wouldn't they be able to be good? Good is something that all of us can do. And did not Jesus say to the jewish leaders - "you being evil, still do good to your children".
I reckon that every person has the ability to be good sometimes.
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@Reece101
@FLRW
Do I really need to give a specific sect? You might as well ask for a specific denomination of Christianity also.
Well, it'd help, though I'm more 'familiar with Christianity,
If you asked me Can Christians be Good People?
I'd probably say yes, though they are capable of being bad people as well.
Based on history I've read, interactions I've had with such people, information on their doctrines, what it's 'current general form is.
I look up Christian population on Google, a number pops up.
Of Luciferians,
I've no history read, interactions had with such people, information on their doctrines, what it's 'current general form is.
I look up Luciferian population on Google, a number does not pop up.
It's a bit hard to have an opinion on a group or ideology I know nothing about.
@FLRW
Do you have a source?
Not knocking your explanation, I just don't know much about Luciferians.
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@Timid8967
"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!"
-- Matthew 7:11
Jesus was saying that people are evil, but even evil people can have enough of a conscience not to give their child a stone when the kid asks for bread.
So, a Luciferian can do a good thing like feeding homeless people, but they cannot be good. Of course, you and I are also incapable of being good on our own. Even if we do good things, our good works are like filthy rags because we are evil.
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@Reece101
There was no specific point.
Then, why ask, "Can Luciferians be good people?" Why focus on Luciferians?
Though you did show a lot of hypocrisy in terms of your depiction of Luciferianism verses what God promotes in Christianity.
What does Christianity promote that's akin to the promotions of Luciferianism?
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@fauxlaw
As if I don't accept 66M years. I'm not a 6-day creation, 6,000 year-old earther Christian. That is a bunch of bunk bunko squad drivel.
So as a Christian, you don't observe the Sabbath?
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@Athias
Every Sunday, my friend, as well as remembering my worship through the week by trying to uphold my efforts in that regard by additional reading, contemplating, and prayer.
But, from where is that question with regard to my belief relative to the age of earth, which, in a final analysis, makes not one bit of difference to the dedication of my worship. Why should it? If God occupied 6 days or 6 billion years in creation, since I also believe that creation continues to this day, what is that to me and my proper course in life?
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@Timid8967
Very well said, your #14
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@fauxlaw
Every Sunday, my friend, as well as remembering my worship through the week by trying to uphold my efforts in that regard by additional reading, contemplating, and prayer.But, from where is that question with regard to my belief relative to the age of earth, which, in a final analysis, makes not one bit of difference to the dedication of my worship. Why should it? If God occupied 6 days or 6 billion years in creation, since I also believe that creation continues to this day, what is that to me and my proper course in life?
But the observance of the Sabbath is based on the concept of Creation. How does one observe the Sabbath while rejecting or being indifferent to the six days of Creation? Observing the Sabbath is one of the commandments. What does it mean to reject or be indifferent to the basis of one of God's commandments?
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@Reece101
I distinguish between "good and evil" and righteousness. As a humble person would be concerned good and evil are subjective, so naturally the answer is...yes.
Some people may see whatever you consider significant about their ways as good enough.
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@fauxlaw
Nope, just not a mainstream Christian. Too many people in that lane, but it does not limit the smile of Jesus on my face. Not to mention in my .44.
Why shouldn't Christianity be mainstream? What lane are people in?
Are you referring to a revolver? Where does that smile come from?
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@Athias
Then, why ask, "Can Luciferians be good people?" Why focus on Luciferians?
For the obvious reason to see how Christian’s would answer.
What does Christianity promote that's akin to the promotions of Luciferianism?
That’s a non sequitur. I said: “Though you did show a lot of hypocrisy in terms of your depiction of Luciferianism verses what God promotes in Christianity.”
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@Reece101
For the obvious reason to see how Christian’s would answer.
So bait?
That’s a non sequitur. I said: “Though you did show a lot of hypocrisy in terms of your depiction of Luciferianism verses what God promotes in Christianity.”
Where did I show hypocrisy in my depiction of Luciferianism in contrast to that which God promotes in Christianity?
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@Athias
It's not really that difficult of an apparent conundrum.
What is the traditional Sabbath of the JudaicTorah, based on the 10 Commandments? It is on the 7th day, Saturday in the calendar, as the day God rested from his creation labor.
What is the traditional Sabbath of the Christian New Testament? it is on Sunday, the first day of the Calendar; the day Christ resurrected from the dead.
It is a change of tradition, from commemorating the creation to commemorating a new creation, the advent of resurrection into a perfect being. As I said, I believe creation continues beyond the six days. It is why it is called a New Testament; the old Testament having been fulfilled in Christ. It does not ignore, nor reject the original period of creation; it just recognizes a new creative event.
Yes.
The same to the analogy of the good samaritan. There is nothing bad about being a good luciferian, except to some other religions, such as Christianity, you are believing in the wrong god.
There is literally nothing inherently bad about being a luciferian, even if some luciferians are bad. If so, some roman emperors have killed millions. Why isn't Christianity itself considered wrong?
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@Athias
So bait?
No not bait. If the responses are thoughtful and good faith, I’ll give it respect. I’ll also joke around with moderates on the issue.
Where did I show hypocrisy in my depiction of Luciferianism in contrast to that which God promotes in Christianity?
This is equivalent to frivolous litigation, where you don’t actually care about the substance of an issue, you just want them to waste their time.
God threatening molestation: (Isaiah 3:16–17)
God threatens rape and glorifies it: (Isaiah 13:9–16)
God makes people eat human flesh: (Leviticus 26:27–29)
God placed his glory above infants and wives: (Isaiah 13:9–16)
God wants you to be happy babies are slaughtered and wives raped: (Psalm 137:8–9)
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@Reece101
God threatening molestation: (Isaiah 3:16–17)
Just responding to the first one, to say I think your comment a bit shallow.
I don't really care enough to respond to 'every single reference.
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@Lemming
‘Hitting them over their head and discovering their secret parts’ is a bit dodgy if you ask me.
Not to mention the context of ‘and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go.’