Paul's Message is Irrefutable

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"The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, for 'In him we live and move and have our being'; as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we are indeed his offspring.' Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead."

-- Acts 17:24-31
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Everything about the above is refutable.

That's how data analysis works.
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Paul is a liar and corruptor of the messages of Jesus Christ you are either a Christian or Pauline.
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Paul Davies Message is Irrefutable.  The Mind of God is a 1992 non-fiction book by Paul Davies. Subtitled The Scientific Basis for a Rational World, it is a whirlwind tour and explanation of theories, both physical and metaphysical, regarding ultimate causes.
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Isn't that assuming data analysis gives a statement validity, or that it determines what is true?
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By what authority are you making such a claim? Mine is based on the authority of the Bible, which would disagree with yours.
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Has Paul Davies ever been wrong about anything? If so, I don't think his manmade ideas are irrefutable.
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Its almost like  ummmm. 

GODS A " HE " 

Fathom having some knowledge on ummmm knowing gods a " he "

The word ( HE ) wouldn't be the best word to use in conjunction with this god thing hey ?

 Is jesus god ?
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What's wrong with using "He" in reference to God? Unless you aren't willing to use God's preferred pronouns...

And yes, Jesus is God.
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Has Paul ever been wrong about anything?
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Almost everything Paul puts in the Bible is either additional to his own thoughts or contradictory to Christ. You are either a Christian or Paulian
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Great question. Yes he has. Most importantly, he was wrong about who Jesus was before his conversion. He did not originally believe Jesus is the promised Messiah in the Hebrew Scriptures, nor that Jesus is God.

But Paul's message is not authoritative because Paul gave it. Just as Paul Davies is only a man, the Apostle Paul is also just a man. His message is authoritative because it was recorded in the Bible. It was also rooted in the truths of the already-recorded Old Testament. Paul is capable of lying (sin), but God is not. Since the Bible bears the authority of God who cannot lie, Paul's message is true.
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His message is authoritative because it was recorded in the Bible.
Who decided what did or did not get to be recorded in the bible?
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What in Paul's message as recorded in Acts 17:24-31 is contradictory to Christ?

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Who decided what did or did not get to be recorded in the bible?
God.
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There is no mention from Paul of the "miraculous"ascending into heaven event either, no empty tombs, no disappearance from the grave of the physical body,no physical resurrection, no physical appearances of a Christ that would talk,walk ,eat, and have the physical wounds on his physical body  poked and prodded physically
or that Jesus was elevated physically into heaven after agiven time. To Paul the body of Jesus who died was degradable,weak, and physical.
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Not at all.

Human data analysis, assesses and compares and outputs data subjectively.

Validity and truth may remain indeterminate.

Especially if the validity of the primary data source is indeterminate.
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You said "everything" about Paul's message is refutable because that's how data analysis works. But if something is objectively true, then no amount of data analysis can possible refute it. Truth is irrefutable, even if you can't subjectively determine what is true. If Paul's message is true, all data analysis is irrelevant.

So data analysis does not make everything about Paul's message refutable. That's not how data analysis works.
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"no physical resurrection"

Quoted from Acts 17:31 and from my original post: "and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead."

Can you provide some meaningful argument to show that Paul was not referring to a physical resurrection in Acts 17:31?

Can you tell me how your previous post has anything to do with Paul's message being true? Especially considering how Paul mentions those things elsewhere (see 1 Cor. 15:3-8). Perhaps you need to reread Acts 17:24-31 again to see what the message is. Or perhaps this writing from Paul will provide a more comprehensive understanding of what the message is:

"the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,"
-- 2 Thess. 1:7-9
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Quoted from Acts 17:31 and from my original post: "and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead."

Can you provide some meaningful argument to show that Paul was not referring to a physical resurrection in Acts 17:31?
Can you prove otherwise.




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Who decided what did or did not get to be recorded in the bible?
God.
Knowing that all copies of the actual books themselves were physically written by humans after the death of Jesus, what specific method did God use to inform said humans precisely which books he had decided he wanted in The Bible and which he did not?
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Inspiration. The authors knew they were writing Scripture under the inspiration of God even though they penned it with their own hand:

"our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures."
-- 2 Peter 3:15-16


By saying the "other Scriptures" Peter is making clear that he knew Paul's letters were inspired by God, making them part of the Scriptures. How exactly God made this clear to the Apostles is not specifically stated as far as I know. So it was known since the time of writing which books were considered part of the Scriptures.
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That is a nice try but the words themselves make the point.

Quoted from Acts 17:31 and from my original post: "and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead."

Can you tell me how your previous post has anything to do with Paul's message being true? Especially considering how Paul mentions those things elsewhere (see 1 Cor. 15:3-8). Perhaps you need to reread Acts 17:24-31 again to see what the message is. Or perhaps this writing from Paul will provide a more comprehensive understanding of what the message is:

"the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,"
-- 2 Thess. 1:7-9
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If Jesus died a physical bodily death, why would you assume only a spiritual resurrection?
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Quoted from Acts 17:31 and from my original post: "and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead."

Can you provide some meaningful argument to show that Paul was not referring to a physical resurrection in Acts 17:31?
Can you prove otherwise.



That is a nice try but the words themselves make the point.

Quoted from Acts 17:31 and from my original post: "and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead."

So that is a no then. 

Does Paul say physically or spiritually? 

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He doesn't use either of those words (physical/spiritual) as a modifier for the term 'resurrection' in this specific passage. Let's go ahead and hear what profound insight you have for us before I comment too much further.
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What do you suppose is irrefutably true?
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God is Creator of all things and is Lord over all (Acts 17:24). He created mankind and is sovereign over kings and nations (v. 26). God is completely distinct and separate from creation (v. 29). God is not only Creator of mankind, but also Judge (v. 31). Since all are guilty of transgressing God's law - or guilty of sin - all must repent of their sins to be saved from the coming judgment (v. 30-31). The proof and assurance of salvation for those who repent is the resurrection of the Jesus Christ (v. 31).
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So we know that the books were inspired by God because the human writers wrote a passage saying that it was inspired. Were those human writters ever been wrong about anything?