The default position.

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African Americans have been told for years they don't speak right. You need to stop being racist. You know what she means. 
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I have the highest order of faith that the oncoming vehicle is not going to cross center line at last moment and ram me head-on, even tho I know it does happen to  people ergo I pay attention to whats in front of me and more so if it is moving{ dynamic } with significant mass.

A conceptual mind game is not moving { dynamic } nor does it occupy space { mass } ergo it is for the most part, insignificant to our reality.

This particular conceptual scenario also is irrelevant to any significant reality.

We do know that differrent chemicals reflect differrent frequencies of EMRadiation or visible radiation specifically.

Ergo as Fred Hoyle points out in his 1990's book, the gene in flower the reflects yellow radiation has same chemical structure in other biologicals that reflect yellow radiation.

Some chemical structure reflects frequency of red radiation, others do not.

Know the chemical structure of the ball surface and we know it will reflect frequency of red photons.

What is chemical structure of the surface of the box?

We can  deduce answers to problems/questions indirectly. 

Much of my approach is looking for associations no matter how seeming irrelevant or distantly abstract they may seem.

Ex Pi is very abstract yet it perks my attention when Pi^3 { ergo 3D } = 31.00 62 7 66 and complex bilateral humans have 31 left and right-skew polyhedra that just happens to be the case with 31 left and right-skew great circle planes of the 5-fold icosa{20}hedron.

Pi^4, minus 31 = 66.4 and perks my attention

Pi^4  /  4 = 24.35 22 7 27 58 50 06 09 30 91 10 08 31 72 17 6

24 is intimate to cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron, and,
31 is intimate to icosa{20}ehdron

6 squares divide into 2 right-angle triangles each ergo 12 right-angle triangles plus 8 equilateral triangles = 20{ icosa } polygon surface of cubo-octahedron and that is same numeber of faces on regular icosa{20}hedron and the both have 12 vertexial nodes.

Entropy of black hole is  S { entrop } = area / 4

Surface area of spherical cubo-octahedron is equal to the four, circular, hexagonal planes the define it. Thank you Archimedes.

The opposite of entropy is syntropy. 


The default position{ cocneptual viewpoint } is cosmic truth ex cosmic principles/laws that complement occupied and non-occupied SPACE.










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@SamStevens
Easy, yes, but if you noticed the responses from others who reject common sense, it seems like its almost impossible for them to deal with...
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If I was black would you call me racist? If my spouse was black would you call me racist? If I did bible studies at church that was predominantly ethically black would you call me racist? If 80% of the people at my job were black, would you call me racist? If most of my friends were black would you call me racist?

You're a caricature. You're the racist one. And you're a disgrace. Go to hell. People like you who masquerade as a people in order to perpetuate negative stereotypes, enforce confirmation bias, effect political opinions, and stir up that festering pot of racism should be ashamed of yourselves.

Don't talk to me anymore, I have nothing to say to you ever again.
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you're a disgrace. Go to hell.
It's okay Tyrone, Mopac is merely demonstrating how a good Christian behaves.

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Trying to surround yourself with blacks to seem black. Oldest trick in the book. Best way to disguise your blatant racism. I was born blacks, I ain't got to be around blacks. Mthe best friend Thett is white. This girl I'met seeing who says she is about to dump her man is white. I had a teacher in 3rd grade who was white, but I'm still black, something you'll never be no matter how many black chick's you marry. Convenient you block me so I can't  respond coward
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Thanks
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@Goldtop
I feel no guilt for telling a cartoon character to go to hell.

The person operating under this avatar knows what they are doing, and there is hope for them. I will not speak to this cartoon character.




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But suppose there is a red ball in a sealed box.   If you like we can say the box has never been opened and no-one has ever seen inside nor ever will.

Thus I am saying it is 'unknowable' there is a red ball in a box; however I want you to accept it as a brute fact that there is red ball in the box, and moreover there has been since the beginning of time.

In those circumstances anyone who believes there is a red ball in the box is correct!  There is no way to demonstrate or prove their correctness; their faith that there is a red ball in the box is not justifiable; it is basically a groundless, lucky guess.   But it is (we are supposing) correct.

But how/why does anyone believe in a groundless guess?  Answer: faith.

       
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@Mopac
I feel no guilt for telling a cartoon character to go to hell.
Of course you have no problem telling others to go to hell, it's what you do as an upstanding Christian whose mission it is to spread love and good will.
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Mopac got owned. 
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I don't know if there is a ball in the box

I don't know that there is anything outside the physical universe. No different really.
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@Goldtop
Easy, yes, but if you noticed the responses from others who reject common sense, it seems like its almost impossible for them to deal with...


lol, I haven't read the vast majority of the posts in this thread. Other than a lack of common sense, idk why this thread is even 160 posts long. 

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@Tyronebiggs
This thread is not about sexual orientation but if you would like to start one perhaps I will participate. In the mean time do you intend to address the op?
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@Tyronebiggs
African Americans have been told for years they don't speak right. You need to stop being racist. You know what she means. 
I'm not sure racism is the root issue here but this poster certainoh seems not to understand the difference between prescriptive and descriptive language. Thank you for your support.

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@secularmerlin
In other words, you don't believe in an incorruptible permanent reality.

Because if there is an incorruptible permanent reality, it would not be effected by other things, making it outside the physical universe. However, if there is an incorruptible permanent reality, it is this reality that allows the physical universe to exist. So The incorruptible permanent reality is in and effects everything in the physical universe, but the physical universe does not effect the incorruptible permanent reality.


So the incorruptible permanent reality is both in the universe and outside.

You don't see the incorruptible permanent reality because if you saw it, the image you would have would be a corruption.


It's the necessary existence.


And it is certainly not the same as talking about a ball in a box. If you say there is no incorruptible and permanent reality, you are denying the very reality that all existence, being, truth, and reality is contingent on.

That is why to say "God doesn't exist" is a self defeating position, and why it is not reasonable to be on the fence about it.
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@secularmerlin
I addressed the op. I said when men give me details about their balls, I take them at their word
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@Mopac
And it is certainly not the same as talking about a ball in a box.

That's true, the ball and the box are actually real things.

That is why to say "God doesn't exist" is a self defeating position
That was once true about black swans, but at the very least, white swans exist.
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@Mopac
if there is an incorruptible permanent reality

Indeed if. Just demonstrate it and we can clear this whole issue up. Just open the box Mopac.
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@Tyronebiggs
If you understand what I really mean then you are engaged in an equivocation fallacy. If you do not then let me be the first to assure you, it's not those kind of balls.

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Why do you care what color your ball is?
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@Plisken
This is a hypothetical thought experiment. Would you like to participate or were you just saying hi?
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Well what's it for?  I'm not hypothetically intrigued by the color of your ball(s) or whatever.
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@Plisken
This is actually an exercise to illustrate whether rejecting a claim requires a burden of proof. So how about it do you believe that the ball is red?
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Now you can't actually prove that the ball is not red. Should you simply accept my word?
No I should not. You made the claim that it is red, so it is your burden to prove it is red. Till then, I don't know what the ball looks like. As far as I know, it merely might be red.
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I'm not interested in your box at the moment or some random ball, so I think that qualifies as "no".  I have no belief that there is a red ball in the box.  If I dedicated a little effort I might think otherwise.  Do you need a dollar?  It's in my pocket I assure you, just one though.  
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@secularmerlin
This is actually an exercise to illustrate whether rejecting a claim requires a burden of proof. So how about it do you believe that the ball is red?
Rejecting a claim
Simply rejecting a claim on its face does not require a burden of proof. However, if you were to run into a bar and scream to everyone that the ball is NOT red, it would be your burden to prove it was NOT red. The burden proof has and will always only belong to the party initiating conversation. The instigator if you will! ;-)

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@secularmerlin
I don't think you fully understand the implications of if not.


The fact that we are having this conversation is proof that there is no legitimate "if".


If there is no incorruptable permanent reality.


If there isn't, then NOTHING is real. And since we are experiencing some form of reality, it's pretty evident that there is no question or room for doubt.


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By the way, who is saying that rejecting a claim requires burden of proof?