Fairy Tail Mafia DP2

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@FourTrouble
So... do you just want me to ignore the results of the Pie's Dream?
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Oro, or one of the other two hw dreamed.  I'm still considering between TUF and Speed.
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@whiteflame
I'm not saying to ignore the dream. It's helpful information.

My understanding of the dream is this:

If Pie is town, there's one scum in the group of Speed/Coal/Luna, and at least one scum (but possibly more) in the group of MC/Oro/Whiteflame.

If Pie is scum, there's likely no scum in the group of Speed/Coal/Luna, and at least one scum in the group of MC/Oro/Whiteflame.
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I think MC/Oro/Whiteflame are better off voting among each other than voting among the dream -- it's a higher percentage lynch.

Speed/Coal/Luna probably want to lynch among each other, though I think there's reason for them to vote among MC/Oro/Whiteflame as well. 




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Lunatic, are you told which player you protect or which character? 
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Let's talk about the game a bit before you go. What're your reads atm? 
I am stuck at work so I am not going any time in the next couple hours. Just nodding off atm so I don't trust my scum hunting abilities. I tenatively will say my reads are still the same from last day phase. There is one player I know is town by my role. Still not sure about pie, dreamer is kind of a ballsy claim but with a cop, and a day cop (still not sure if you really are one or were gambiting) it's make the role seem a bit investigative heavy. Also kind of suspect the dreamer since me and mikal as scum literally tried pulling that same strategy but with a sensor. It worked for us in the end and won us the game. Trying to decide if pie would literally just rip off another a role from another supa game though, and I kind of doubt he would be that lazy but who knows.That said, Speed hasn't really done much to make me think he is town. Behaviorally I town read Coal from dp1, but I can stay open minded about that. I town read you, because I remember you having a severe lack of interest as scum and you seem to be playing what I remember is your town meta. 

Kind of null on oro, but I understand coal's points about him from last day phase since it's similar struggles I have with him in games. Misterchris could be scum, but I wouldn't put it past him to be bad town here either like I said last day phase. 
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I hope Lunatic confirms Whiteflame or Pie. This'll make the game a lot easier. 
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Drunk makes someone drive them home.  It's a night-action blocking role.

Based on TUF's claim I'm more inclined to lynch him.  Passive protective role seems to throw off balance more than a hider would.  But Hider would be a good claim.  So Speed isn't out of the hot water.  
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It would be premature for you to conclude Lunatic is town.
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I struggle to envision the world where Pie fake claims dreamer, regardless of who potential scum partners would be.  
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@coal
Confirmed as town or as scum? Is the passive protection that you offer changed each NP?
Confirmed as town. Passive protection isn't changed. If that character dies in the night, I will die in their place period. 
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Nah, I'm not lynching Luna. 
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Lunatic, are you told which player you protect or which character? 
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Did we ever find out if scum were given fake claims? 
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@Lunatic
So speed has to be lying based on your role?
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@coal
Based on TUF's claim I'm more inclined to lynch him.  Passive protective role seems to throw off balance more than a hider would.  But Hider would be a good claim.  So Speed isn't out of the hot water.  
I don't see how passive protection throws balance off. I die in place of said person, so mafia still are able to get a kill out of it. Literally doesn't effect the balance. 
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@coal
So speed has to be lying based on your role?
Or pie, or you. But yeah I am leaning speed atm but I am in no rush. He just hasn't posted much to make me think he is town. 
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The way these claims have presented suggests to me that mafia were given fake claims. 

Potentially with justification.  Potentially not.


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@FourTrouble
I personally think we have enough information to go off of on both fronts, but I think the information from the Dream is almost certainly real and I have a hard time doubting Luna’s and Coal’s character and role claims (pretty sure I know who Luna’s protecting). Seems to me like Speed is a far more obvious choice. I could see a case being made against MC and Oro, but Speed is out on his own here.
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@Speedrace
What kind of hider are you? We need more information about your role. Tell us everything you were told. 
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@coal
Explain the basis for your FOS on me.  
According to my dream either you, Lunatic, or Speed are scum.
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@coal
I am Cana Alberona.  While in some cases I am outgoing, the vast majority of the time I am drunk ... infamous for my high alcohol tolerance.  Because I am drunk all the time, I am the Drunk.  I select someone to drive me home in the night phase.
Wtf does that even mean lol. And who drove you home?
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@FourTrouble
Pie, can you link me your most recent town & scum games? 
Heavy Hitters was when I was scum.

Black History was when I was town
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@FourTrouble
Coal & Pie, why'd you both assume I was fakeclaiming my result on Earth? 
Day Cops are really rare. I’ve only had one pop up in my time on DART.

I also want to hear your response to WF’s question. You’re admitting that you can use your roles in the day and the night?
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@FourTrouble
Pie, do you dream every night? 
If I am visited, I can’t dream.
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@coal
Drunk makes someone drive them home.  It's a night-action blocking role.

Based on TUF's claim I'm more inclined to lynch him.  Passive protective role seems to throw off balance more than a hider would.  But Hider would be a good claim.  So Speed isn't out of the hot water.  
So you’re claiming Town Roleblocker. Who did you roleblock last night?
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Are we just going to ignore that Coal claimed Town Roleblocker?
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@ILikePie5
Are we just going to ignore that Coal claimed Town Roleblocker?
You are right, mods never switch up town roles and scum roles to different teams. lYnCh CoAl NoW
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@coal
Did you use your ability last night?
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@Lunatic
You are right, mods never switch up town roles and scum roles to different teams. lYnCh CoAl NoW
You really need to sleep lol