United States Senate Mafia DP2

I thought oromagi’s tunnel by Lunatic was inherently scummy because I never seen Luna complain over that. It is usually drafter and it was not meta at all by Luna to do that. We had little time left and I started to get a gut feeling over Lunatic while I usually do. I felt he was the best option for a lynch. I would’ve unvoted if I had time when he said he could role confirm himself.

I’d be on Chris if he didn’t get town confirmed*

True, but I think it’s more of a town role

Oromagi is a slight FoS. He seems to be extremely passive with his actions and despite saying I’m the better option, refused to put the vote on me.

I’m thinking that he has some OP role? Idk. I don’t think I’ve heard oromagi want to VTNL so early either which draws sus.

• DP1=Oro is sus for voting decisively too early
  
• DP2=Oro is sus for not voting decisively early
  

• last, reluctant vote on lunatic.  I agree with MC's analysis that at least one scum was likely in the four lunatic lynchers. 
  
• GP hasn't really claimed any role but we might be able to confirm "PROTECC"
  
• MC volunteered an anti-town role early and tested successfully
  
• I have one unspoken non-definitive reason to expect that speed is town
  
• Sup claims Josh Hawley who was a mostly below the radar as a Senator until  he took a leadership role in the failed fascist coup of Jan 6.  As former friend and Obi-Wan John Danforth now describes Hawley, "the worst mistake I ever made in my life."  After Cruz, the likeliest scum character claim in the Senate.
  
• Sup claims DETECTIVE, which on the drafter lists is just ROLE COP.
  
• mafiascumwiki advises: "Role Cops are actually a somewhat popular Mafia role, but have also been seen aligned with the Town."
  
• Which suggest ROLE COPs are more often scum.
  
• At least, the role is not exculpatory
  
• Sup's play is more consistent with his scum play generally and with his role as GODFATHER last game
  
• Promises inactivity but is more active than most and
  
• invests heavily in his own defense
  
• Sup tends to emote more as scum, "What a fucking stupid lynch train" etc.
  

• I meant to add that I don't like Supa's "1X" claim. 
  
• 1XROLE COP seems underpowered for a role madness game
  
• seems to be trying to match lunatic's 1XGLADIATOR but that role would be crazy unbalanced if unlimited
  
• I'd more expect and EVEN/ODD kind of dynamic for this game
  

Speed has been somewhat laying low but bandwagoned the lynch on Lunatic without justification. I have given my justification in this thread as to why and I even said in DP1 I have an FoS for aggression. Granted I don’t remember much, but still. Speed does this as scum and I have a slight scum read on him

• I meant to add that I don't like Supa's "1X" claim. 
  
• 1XROLE COP seems underpowered for a role madness game
  
• seems to be trying to match lunatic's 1XGLADIATOR but that role would be crazy unbalanced if unlimited
  
• I'd more expect and EVEN/ODD kind of dynamic for this game
  

Oromagi is a slight FoS. He seems to be extremely passive with his actions and despite saying I’m the better option, refused to put the vote on me.

I’m thinking that he has some OP role? Idk. I don’t think I’ve heard oromagi want to VTNL so early either which draws sus.

Let's note that these two arguments apply contradictory standards.

• DP1=Oro is sus for voting decisively too early
  
• DP2=Oro is sus for not voting decisively early
  

Supa complains that I "refused to put a vote on" him last night.  Perhaps we can overcome his concerns regarding my passivity.

I like a Supa lynch because

• last, reluctant vote on lunatic.  I agree with MC's analysis that at least one scum was likely in the four lunatic lynchers. 
  
• GP hasn't really claimed any role but we might be able to confirm "PROTECC"
  
• MC volunteered an anti-town role early and tested successfully
  
• I have one unspoken non-definitive reason to expect that speed is town
  
• Sup claims Josh Hawley who was a mostly below the radar as a Senator until  he took a leadership role in the failed fascist coup of Jan 6.  As former friend and Obi-Wan John Danforth now describes Hawley, "the worst mistake I ever made in my life."  After Cruz, the likeliest scum character claim in the Senate
  

• Sup claims DETECTIVE, which on the drafter lists is just ROLE COP.
  
• mafiascumwiki advises: "Role Cops are actually a somewhat popular Mafia role, but have also been seen aligned with the Town."
  
• Which suggest ROLE COPs are more often scum.
  
• At least, the role is not exculpatory
  
• Sup's play is more consistent with his scum play generally and with his role as GODFATHER last game
  
• Promises inactivity but is more active than most and
  

• invests heavily in his own defense
  

• Sup tends to emote more as scum, "What a fucking stupid lynch train" etc.
  

I would like to know Supa's rolecop results but for the time being, Sup is my pick for lynch.

VTL Supadudz

So are you saying I shouldn't defend myself from being lynched?

You said you have a scum read on me, but never put a vote and only put votes if you are confident. Why did you not put a vote when the DP started when you were "confident." It's not a contradiction

As we can see, most of my sus comes from your role/character claim.  I did not say I was "confident" last night, that is your invention.  My actual words were "would probably agree to vtl supa."

Refused isn't the right word

Your word, not mine:

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5868/post-links/255762

So are you saying I shouldn't defend myself from being lynched?

No, I'm saying you defend yourself more vigorously.  I suppose you correctly assess that you have less to lose when you are town.

I emote just as much as town

are you admitting you are not town?

Will not out any result until said person claims there role. Revealing their role is anti town

Not if you are getting lynched today.  If you are TOWN, you will want us to have your information whether you survive or not.

Sorry for not being active. I have been sick lately.

I find it extremely ironic how everyone said to pressure Speed and I but are focusing on me for some reason with oromagi leading that charge. Oro is going from passive to now a somewhat aggressive tone? 

I know this may sound like OMGUS but I do think oro is leaning more scum after thinking about. I think he could be Speed's partner depending on what Speed claims

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I find it extremely ironic how everyone said to pressure Speed and I but are focusing on me for some reason with oromagi leading that charge. Oro is going from passive to now a somewhat aggressive tone? 

1XROLE COP seems underpowered for a role madness game