United States Senate Mafia DP1

 If he were to not claim, suspicion is drawn to him and he becomes sus'd out.

You have yet to explain how bad plays = scum. Plenty of people play badly. Also I'm fairly certain he's claimed before in one of my games as BP

Again, you can not analyze behavior by meta. This is Grey's meta. I don't care that it is a bad meta. A bad meta =/= scum. Drafterman believes VTNLing is stupid. I think that's fucking dumb, but that doesn't make me scum read him. Same with Grey's case. Breaking a meta is more scummy than sticking with the meta. How come you didn't yell at him when he claimed cop. Even so, why are you so mad? He might have a self protect as well. He didn't say his role, but it's function (protective). 

In mafia, yes there are metas to play by that are good. However some people have bad metas they play by. When you lynch them over and over again and they are town despite bad meta, at some point you will see there meta as town. I honestly haven't been a game where Grey claimed first and was scum. Mafia is also about analyzing patterns and keeping consistent to these patterns. Deviating from a pattern could be a scum tell. I personally don't play by a pattern for that reason. I play the way I feel like playing no matter what.

Yes, Grey's meta is bad. But him not claiming and going against his meta would scum read. If you weren't essentially role confirmed, I'd be sus'ing you as 3P, because I know you've played in games where Grey has claimed a PR early and you have not had this reaction at all

I don't think Oro is scummy for VTNLing, scum wants lynches

You've been scum before, you know this isn't how it works. There is little risk to scum to mislynch early game, and I don't think Oromagi's pushed for a VTNL so early in a game as scum before. It doesn't implicate you much at all as scum to hop on a wagon a townie starts if you can justify why you hopped on, and if you initiate a mislynch based on technically false but sound reasoning the same principle applies... If any mislynch goes through, it was only because a plurality of town hopped on board with you and agreed with your reasoning enough to risk the mislynch.   

I've never met a scum player that was so reserved as to not stick DP1 out and seek for a mislynch. We've not even gotten close to a point to where the scum team would want to give up on it, and even if Oro did want a VTNL as scum, I doubt his scum partner would agree...

On another note, your statements here are reminding me of the sort of fluff logic scum use to justify mislynches and see if wagons catch on. 

You obviously don't know me that well.  I make mistakes like that all the time  .

The more sus thing here is how you are injecting feeling and motivation without warrant. 

So does town. How do you suggest town win? Praying on results? People keep refusing to answer this. 

"protective role" means only one of a few things and no matter what, it's extremely bad for town.

I'm just saying wanting to VTNL =/= scum, that has nothing to do with whether VTNLing is smart or not

This town is absolutely retarded.

Thanks for the fantastic contribution. 

Not my fault town chooses not to pressure you.

Town should have a genuine interest in solving the game; VTNL when there's been little activity, and not answering questions for how you expect the game to be solved demosntrates that you do not want to solve the game. I am led to believe that oro already has all the information about the game he needs, as scum.