There is something that doesn't make sense to me

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Communism: Kills 71 million people in the USSR by starvation, and has oppressed billions of people in the past.

Mods: Being a communist is free speech and we won't ban any communists.

KKK: Lynches only 4000 black Americans(a quicker death than starvation), and has oppressed only millions of African Americans(still a large number, but only a fraction of the billions of people that communism has oppressed).

Mods: Anyone who supports the idea of racism and anyone who makes a racial slur that is pro KKK will get banned.

Me: Communism is the worse ideology, so why are the mods treating racism worse than communism?  If communists get free speech, shouldn't racists also get free speech?
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what happened in the USSR was specific to them. and it's too vague to say communism is opporessive. lots of economic systems have pros and cons. communism is about living in commune. even if its flawed, the essence is plausible. the KKK was a hate group, who murdered people. big difference. 
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And as for capitalism, 100 million Indigenous people in the Americas were killed during the European colonization for the propagation of American capitalism, as well as millions of African people that were enslaved as property to be profited off of by capitalists in the West. How many people have been killed by capitalist sanctions? How many people have been killed in capitalist wars? How many people have been killed by capitalist dictators like Pincohet? How many people have died and will we let die for profiteering?
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Communism: Kills 71 million people in the USSR by starvation, and has oppressed billions of people in the past.
There has never been a real world experiment in communism.  Socialism means that the people own the means of production  (The US Army is a socialist endeavor). Communism means local people own their own local means of production without any consideration of class, currency, or state- a kind of anarchist economic utopia.  Since the USSR had an upper class (communist party leaders), a currency (the ruble), and an overwhelmingly totalitarian form of state govt, no sensible person would correctly call the USSR an example of communism.  The USSR also called itself a Republic but Russia was no more Republican than it was socialist or communist.

Russian dictators killed those tens of millions, not communism or any other ideology.

Mods: Being a communist is free speech and we won't ban any communists.
I've never met a real communist (someone who both understands what communism means and thinks it is a practical, modern economic strategy) on this or any other site.

KKK: Lynches only 4000 black Americans(a quicker death than starvation), and has oppressed only millions of African Americans(still a large number, but only a fraction of the billions of people that communism has oppressed).
Most Americans would prefer starvation to slavery.

Mods: Anyone who supports the idea of racism and anyone who makes a racial slur that is pro KKK will get banned.
That's false.  You may not threaten or promote violence against any person or persons, barring hyperbole against public figures (e.g., “all politicians should be shot”). Advocacy in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, especially as related to hate groups as generally defined by the SPLC, is likewise prohibited.

So, you can say, "I support racism"  
You can say, "I support the Klan"
You can't say "let's kill black people"

Me: Communism is the worse ideology, so why are the mods treating racism worse than communism?  If communists get free speech, shouldn't racists also get free speech?
There is no objective, sensible opinion in the world that would call the idea of local ownership by local small govt. worse than the idea of executing black people because they won't stay slaves.




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Communism is the perfect utopian ideology.

But unfortunately communism is also a fundamentally flawed ideology, that fails to take human nature into account.








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Capitalism is responsible for millions(if not billions) of deaths also. It mattered not the praxis but the ideals. Socialism is not racist or offensive in ideals like KKK. It is just very hard to get working.
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Capitalism is responsible for millions(if not billions) of deaths also.
Survival of the fittest is a bitch, but a necessary evil for the advancement of every species on planet Earth.

Meritocracies are progressive. Everyone in a meritocracy is born with the power to own their individual property at a level they choose, regardless of any birth defects.

Mediocrities of equity are typified by the pervasive fief-like socialist dystopias promoted by the status quo of government elites. The result of this dystopia is a tragic imbalance in the environment as resources are consumed by unproductive disincentivized people who are powerless to own property, usually resulting in the inevitable mass starvation of those without power.
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what happened in the USSR was specific to them.
Not really though. Mao killed more than Stalin and Hitler combined under fiat Communism.

Khmer Rouge was far more brutal than the KKK and killed many more under Marxism.

Historically, you can rely on people starving when Communism fails. Like Venezuela. Political killings are just a bonus.



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Communism: Kills 71 million people in the USSR by starvation, and has oppressed billions of people in the past.
You're conflating AUTHORITARIANISM with COMMUNISM.

Mods: Being a communist is free speech and we won't ban any communists.
There are many different types of COMMUNISM (not all of them subscribe to an AUTHORITARIAN hierarchy).

KKK: Lynches only 4000 black Americans(a quicker death than starvation), and has oppressed only millions of African Americans(still a large number, but only a fraction of the billions of people that communism has oppressed).
VIGILANTE EXECUTION is MURDER.

Mods: Anyone who supports the idea of racism and anyone who makes a racial slur that is pro KayKayKay will get banned.
Not all KayKayKay factions (denominations) advocate for violence.

Not all KayKayKay factions (denominations) are responsible for the actions of some KayKayKay factions (denominations).

In the same way that not all Christians are responsible for the actions of Torquemada.

HATE = OPINION

IDEAS ARE NOT DANGEROUS.

Me: Communism is the worse ideology, so why are the mods treating racism worse than communism?  If communists get free speech, shouldn't racists also get free speech?
The mods can make whatever arbitrary rules they wish.

A private entity restricting your speech is NOT a violation of the United States Constitution (otherwise Non Disclosure Agreements would be unconstitutional).

(IFF) you want to express your opinion without restriction (THEN) start your own debate website or create your own discord channel.
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There are many different types of COMMUNISM (not all of them subscribe to an AUTHORITARIAN hierarchy.
We have seen anarcho-communist societies like Chaz/Chop and George Floyd square. It's not that much less bloody.
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Early Christian communities have also been described as having anarcho-communist characteristics.[137] Frank Seaver Billings described "Jesusism" as a combination of anarchism and communism.[138] Examples of later Christian egalitarian communities include the Diggers. [LINK]
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Christianity eventually killed a massive proportion of people under the authority of the Pope.

Theocracies and Communism are authoritarian by default because someone has to be in charge.
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Christianity eventually killed a massive proportion of people under the authority of the Pope.
You're conflating Catholicism with (anarcho-communist) Jesusism.
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I'm just stating that historically, anarcho-anything isn't sustainable.
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Are you suggesting that ZERO "capitalist" businesses have gone out of business for the exact same reasons?

Are you familiar with,

Mondragon
Total number of employees in 2019: 81,507
It is the biggest employee owned company in Spain by number of employees and in terms of revenue, is by far the biggest employee owned company in Europe. The cooperative has 257 companies which employ over 80,000 people and have revenues exceeding 12 billion euros. It is also the tenth biggest Spanish company when turnover is taken into consideration.

John Lewis Partnership
Total number of employees in 2019: 83,000
It is the biggest employee owned company in the UK, and owns John Lewis & Partners department stores, its banking and financial services, Waitrose & Partner Supermarkets and other retail activities as well. It is the third biggest company in the UK which is not traded on the stock exchange and the chain appeals to upper middle class and upper class shoppers. The company was established in 1929 and was founded on Oxford Street in London.

Publix Supermarkets
Total number of employees in 2019: 207,000
Topping the list of the 5 largest employee owned companies in the world is Publix Supermarkets, which is based in the USA. The company is 90 years old and is headquartered in Florida. Throughout the decades, the company has continued to be owned by members of the Jenkin family, who were the founders as well as past and present employees of the company too. The company has over 1,200 locations across the US and is the only employee owned company to have more than 200,000 employees. The company is one of the 100 biggest companies in the US regardless of ownership or industry, and is one of the biggest private companies in the US as well, surpassing most of those which are not owned by employees. Publix had revenues of over $38.1 billion in 2019 with a net income exceeding $3 billion. It is one of the very few companies which have been named in Fortune’s 100 Best Companies to Work For every year since its inception 22 years ago in 1998.
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In a meritocracy void of equitable outcomes, businesses fail.
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In a meritocracy void of equitable outcomes, businesses fail.
Do you have any opinions about decentralized financial systems?
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Monetary meritocracy? Sure. May the most stable currency prosper.
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Monetary meritocracy? Sure. May the most stable currency prosper.
Decentralized finance is ANARCHY PRAXIS.

There is NO centralized control, all participants agree to the same TRANSPARENT rules and are treated 100% equally, and enforcement is automatic and PROCRUSTEAN.

In other words, everyone obeys the same rules, nobody gets "special treatment".
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That's not entirely accurate. The point is that with cyber currency, there is an immediate consequence to inflation that other countries can avoid for years. That's the only "rule" that matters.
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there is an immediate consequence to inflation that other countries can avoid for years.
Please explain.
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aBoLISh cAPiTaliSM
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Have fun burning down your own strawman.
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Have fun burning down your own strawman.
I never referenced you
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Well if you mean Communism (in practise and as the term has come to mean things) as opposed to Socialism (in both theory and practise, which is held as opposed to Communist regimes) then I'd agree with you that noone wants Communism other than extremists.

Do note that the term 'Communism' when Marx used it wasn't what it has come to mean and represent now.
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You are probably right about that.

Khmer Rouge was probably the closest actual application of a Marxist society. Not the current class war based on skin color.
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Pol Pot’s regime also executed thousands of people it had deemed as enemies of the state. Those seen as intellectuals, or potential leaders of a revolutionary movement, were also executed. Legend has it, some were executed for merely appearing to be intellectuals, by wearing glasses or being able to speak a foreign language.
Exactly which part of this is "Marxism"?
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Declaring 1975 “Year Zero” in the country, Pol Pot isolated Kampuchea from the global community. He resettled hundreds of thousands of the country’s city-dwellers in rural farming communes and abolished the country’s currency. He also outlawed the ownership of private property and the practice of religion in the new nation. [**] [**]
Exactly which part of this is "Marxism"?
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Exactly which part of this is "Marxism"?
And is immoral killing primary goal of "Marxism".  The primary goal of KKK is killing of people of color.

We appear to  have some people on this forum --and greater society---  who lack access to morally considerate compassion of their fellow humans. What should a moral set of humans do about these  immoral, inconsiderate lack of compassion type of humans?