Heavy Hitters Mafia D2

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  • to what does Pie refer?
Forcing me to claim so we don’t lose two nights in a row. If the wagon never started scum could’ve targeted me because I soft claimed a power role. 

Beloved Princess is designed to harm town if they are lynched. It’s intrinsically in the nature. Lynching me serves no purpose especially when I can just be shot by the vigilante, which I’ve subscribed to, something which Lunatic also subscribed to
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 but if he is redirected or blocked,
Interesting. Do you have reason to believe a redirector is in the game?
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I'm certain he feels like he could have led a lynch on me. I'm town though. I'm not going to let myself get lynched. I have absolute confidence that no matter how many games you see me play, I will never be mislynched. I don't care how crazy that sounds. It doesn't happen to me. 

lol... dude, I don't blame Speed for investigating you. Believe it or not, it isn't self-evident you are town, and even if you are you don't have some special superpower to make us all believe it. Your play has been scummy, and while Speed's result helps you could still be a godfather, or even the redirector that you insinuated is in the game.

I'm believing Speed for now but you've got no self-awareness man. 

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VTL WF. That was a hell of a lot of scummy counterattacking.
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Pie also said laugh out loud on seven different occasions after being accused of being scum
See and this is why people scumread you dude. Your reads are based on numbers of "lols" and whatever your crack demons tell you. 

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Question: is GP's vig treated like a mafia NK?


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Oh shit sorry pressed the edit button. I just wanted to add the bold
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ANYWAY, if Pie is telling the truth about his role and is the beloved princess, and the kill is treated like a mafia NK... Then vigging Pie is a no brainer: we can freely skip the next NP.
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VTL WF. That was a hell of a lot of scummy counterattacking.
...Counterattacking? Seriously, wtf are you talking about? You're the one who was looking into pushing for a lynch on me, and I'm the only one so far who has lent credence to you being town. Hell, despite all the issues I've brought up, I still said that you lean town to me. No clue what you're getting at.
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You notice how instead of scum hunting chris just argued with me about what makes a boxer famous and speculated on theme and then disappeared for almost 48 hours. None of that makes your ears perk up?
sorry, Grimgar, Ashes and Illusions called me. 
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Right now....

Speed is pretty town confirmed in my book. Cop claim with no counter claim, and no other investigative role coming forward to say it looks fishy. 

Bringer is less town confirmed but still town in my book. I find it interesting he hinted at there being a redirector, could Speed have been redirected? Regardless, he's in my town pile unless someone confirms my idea.

Pie is mostly null. All the focus on him has been largely without logical basis, although I do believe that, if GP's vig is treated like a mafia NK, vigging Pie is a no-brainer for town. It should be a high priority for us to find out how Grey's role works in that regard. 

Whiteflame is null, as is Supa.

Oromagi being in the shadows is part of his scum meta, but I've seen him do this as town too so I'm not really sure how much weight to give it. 






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One more thing before I disappear for a while (got a scholarship meeting to attend), I agree with Bringer that we should lynch and use GP's vig role.

If Pie is lying and is scum, we avoid MYLO even if we mislynch because scum team would lose a member... If Pie is telling the truth, (and if Grey's role functions like I believe it does... that it works as a NK) we avoid MYLO even if we mislynch because we skip the NP.


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I'm fine with Oro

VTL Oro
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The Brookings Report has been reporting on this rapidly widening gap in partnership with the Wall St. Journal:

Even with a new president and political party soon in charge of the White House, the nation’s economic standoff continues. Notwithstanding President-elect Joe Biden’s solid popular vote victory, last week’s election failed to deliver the kind of transformative reorientation of the nation’s political-economic map that Democrats (and some Republicans) had hoped for. The data confirms that the election sharpened the striking geographic divide between red and blue America, instead of dispelling it.
Most notably, the stark economic rift that Brookings Metro documented after Donald Trump’s shocking 2016 victory has grown even wider. In 2016, we wrote that the 2,584 counties that Trump won generated just 36% of the country’s economic output, whereas the 472 counties Hillary Clinton carried equated to almost two-thirds of the nation’s aggregate economy.

A similar analysis for last week’s election shows these trends continuing, albeit with a different political outcome. This time, Biden’s winning base in 509 counties encompasses fully 71% of America’s economic activity, while Trump’s losing base of 2,547 counties represents just 29% of the economy. (Votes are still outstanding in 28 mostly low-output counties, and this piece will be updated as new data is reported.)


Aggregate share of US GDP
2016
Hillary Clinton  64%
Donald Trump   36%
2020
Joe Biden    71%
Donald Trump  29%

So, while the election’s winner may have changed, the nation’s economic geography remains rigidly divided. Biden captured virtually all of the counties with the biggest economies in the country (depicted by the largest blue tiles in the nearby graphic), including flipping the few that Clinton did not win in 2016.

By contrast, Trump won thousands of counties in small-town and rural communities with correspondingly tiny economies (depicted by the red tiles). Biden’s counties tended to be far more diverse, educated, and white-collar professional, with their aggregate nonwhite and college-educated shares of the economy running to 35% and 36%,
respectively, compared to 16% and 25% in counties that voted for Trump.

In short, 2020’s map continues to reflect a striking split between the large, dense, metropolitan counties that voted Democratic and the mostly exurban, small-town, or rural counties that voted Republican.  Blue and red America reflect two very different economies: one oriented to diverse, often college-educated workers in professional and digital services occupations, and the other whiter, less-educated, and more dependent on “traditional” industries.

With that said, it would be wrong to describe this as a completely static map. While the metropolitan/ nonmetropolitan dichotomy remained starkly persistent, 2020 election returns produced nontrivial movement, as Biden added modestly to the Democrats’ metropolitan base and significantly to its vote base. Most notably, Biden flipped six of the nation’s 100 highest-output counties, strengthening the link between these core economic hubs and the Democratic Party. More specifically, Biden flipped half of the 10 most economically significant counties Trump won in 2016, including Phoenix’s Maricopa County; Dallas-Fort Worth’s Tarrant County; Jacksonville, Fla.’s Duval County; Morris County in New Jersey; and Tampa-St. Petersburg, Fla.’s Pinellas County.

Altogether, those losses shaved about 3 percentage points’ worth of GDP off the economic base of Trump counties. That reduced the share of the nation’s GDP produced by Republican-voting counties to a new low in recent times.

Why does this matter? This economic rift that persists in dividing the nation is a problem because it underscores the near-certainty of both continued clashes between the political parties and continued alienation and misunderstandings.

To start with, the 2020’s sharpened economic divide forecasts gridlock in Congress and between the White House and Senate on the most important issues of economic policy. The problem—as we have witnessed over the past decade and are likely to continue seeing—is not only that Democrats and Republicans disagree on issues of culture, identity, and power, but that they represent radically different swaths of the economy. Democrats represent voters who overwhelmingly reside in the nation’s diverse economic centers, and thus tend to prioritize housing affordability, an improved social safety net, transportation infrastructure, and racial justice. Jobs in blue America also disproportionately rely on national R&D investment, technology leadership, and services exports.

By contrast, Republicans represent an economic base situated in the nation’s struggling small towns and rural areas. Prosperity there remains out of reach for many, and the party sees no reason to consider the priorities and needs of the nation’s metropolitan centers. That is not a scenario for economic consensus or achievement.

At the same time, the results from last week’s election likely underscore fundamental problems of economic alienation and estrangement. Specifically, Trump’s anti-establishment appeal suggests that a sizable portion of the country continues to feel little connection to the nation’s core economic enterprises, and chose to channel that animosity into a candidate who promised not to build up all parts of the country, but rather to vilify groups who didn’t resemble his base.

If this pattern continues—with one party aiming to confront the challenges at top of mind for a majority of Americans, and the other continuing to stoke the hostility and indignation held by a significant minority—it will be a recipe not only for more gridlock and ineffective governance, but also for economic harm to nearly all people and places. In light of the desperate need for a broad, historic recovery from the economic damage of the COVID-19 pandemic, a continuation of the patterns we’ve seen play out over the past decade would be a particularly unsustainable situation for Americans in communities of all sizes.


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oops wrong place
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That's not confirmation lol
I am aware. I am referring to your perception.
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If he was scum, claiming cop would be a ballsy choice. He'd have to know he'd be CC'd unless scum came with a full list of roles, which is possible, but unlikely.
No, I think he is town. I am just wondering about his honesty, because it has implications
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@Bringerofrain
I am aware. I am referring to your perception.
When did I say I perceived that as confirmation?
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I feel like you were soft claiming cop dp1 on reread.  You replaced to letters with numbers and the numbers you inserted were 5-0 . A term meaning cop in urban slang. So this is why I am pressing speed a bit. However I am aware stating this if this is a ploy to have speed NKed is dumb. I apologize if I screwed up that plot, but I think scum is so narrowed down at this point it doesn't matter, and honesty about how speed got the result could help nearrow down everyone's scum list even better. So can you expand on your soft claim please without giving away your role
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Interesting. Do you have reason to believe a redirector is in the game?
Yes, it balances out the various roles if they act like I think they all act, where each person makes a move, but other people get the results or either get permission to have the role used like GP. I would expect scum to have deceptive roles if my guess about the way the games work is right
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When did I say I perceived that as confirmation?
I think a few posts after that where you said something like 

"Being town confirmed does not make you right"(paraphrased)

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I am down with ORO until I get more information from him on his soft claim as well. 

VTL Oromagi

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If oro is scum and was soft claiming cop and if he is proper scum soft claiming a few other possibilities as well, than I is likely the scum team has no godfather and assumed coo would be a safe fake claim later down the road because of it
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Alright, makes sense.

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That was me trying to attract the night kill.
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Sounds sensible, there are a lot of vanilla roles this game and last game your soft claim seemed more obscure. I will unvote until people can discuss this new information

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If there is a vig and oro's role is something like if he does he takes a scum with him or something are we considering the possibility of 3 scum 
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9 people. If we mislynch today that is 8 people. If GP is redirected or blocked we are at 7 which is 

4 town 3 scum and GP would be the obvious mislynch there

If we no lynch and gp is redirected to town, we are still 4-3 and likely to Mislynch parrot ending the game in a town loss. 
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We are at 8 people, so correct the numbers above. This may be an even worse situation
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What's the justification for oromagi? I'm not opposed if there is an actual reason