Heavy Hitters Mafia

Bringer is town. Fmpov, his play in this game versus last game is so drastically different that there is no way in hell that if he was scum, he would change his behavior that much

I am Anti NP1 Vig-Shot.. There isn't enough evidence to decide on someone's fate by just reading behavior

iLikePie- His interaction with bringer seems scummy to me. He initially seemed to ignore bringer's FOS on him, and was all too eager to forget about it when bringer switched to supa.

He only brings it up again after bringer revotes him, asking people for opinions about it while STILL not forming his own about it.

I care more about pie's thoughts on bringer apparently "Pushing him for nothing" than I do about others. It's like he's throwing it out there that it's scummy to see if anyone will bite, but not wanting to put his money where is mouth it. Which suggests to me that maybe bringer is on the money here. Also the supa push feels lazy and like an easier option for him to push than anyone else. I haven't been posting much either, why am I not being accused of lurking?

Willing to consider it, but given that we are now at L-2 (must've misread the votes), I'd like to see Pie's response. I'll put him at L-1 if he's intransigent.

I’m like 99% sure my role was designed as a balance to Grey’s role especially in a 9P game. 

If Bringer were town and Pie were scum, in my view I'd think Pie would have a much more fruitful time pushing Bringer, especially given the general town reaction against the Supa push.

I'm wondering if this implicates a Pie-Bringer scum team? Remember last game, I was bussed by Bringer quite a bit in the first DP so I don't put it past him to use the same strategy again.

If not that, then it at least casts some doubt for me as to Pie being scum. His push on Supa seems like a town Pie being stubborn more than anything to me. 

Pie put a vote on me because of lurking. I defended myself. It's not that much of an overreaction, the only thing different is that I scumread him

Unless grey vigged a townie, we mislynch day phase one, you are night killed, skip a day, another night kill, then we are in 2 v 3 mylo DP2 lol. I think your claim goes more in the way of contradicting greyparrot than balancing it. 

Claiming beloved princess is the quickest way to completely invalidate any pro town use that role has.

It seems like pie acknowledges this since he claims he was trying to soft claim a power role (I also didn't pick up on that, unless you count the part where he was calling supa a little princess).

But under pie's own logic, if he was town, I think rather than full claim he probably would have just said something like "I am a powerful role and you would regret having me claim" or something like that as he has done in the past as town.

The willingness to claim while acknowledging that it makes him useless seems like he was preparing this claim as a fake claim, especially re-reading the princess comment towards supa. As town he had no reason to soft like that either. Hell, even lying about your role might have been better at that point.

My math in post 225 was off but the conclusion still equals lylo. DP1 mislynch pie, mafia 2 night kills, grey mis vig, for a 3 v 2 (assumign 2 scum standard set up for 9 players). Again this is at dp2. Pie's role definitely contradicts greys more than helps it, and pie should have picked this up if he was town. 

if grey agrees to vigging pie tonight, I am okay with lynching whiteflame. His last post didn't do much in the way of alleviating my concern of him. 

My character had a justification that seemingly makes sense with my role, though I am unfamiliar with my character. So naturally I am a little suspicious that pie doesn't have a role link. Can anyone else confirm if they don't have a good description from their character to role?