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Help me pressure Supa for a full claim, cause he’s being a spoiled princess rn

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I am babysitting for the evening.
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Babysitting my niece and my sister already has a ton of restrictions like no sponge Bob (because she somehow thinks he is gay) and she even considers edward scissorhands violent. When I put it on disney plus now the kid can not even watch her favorite show dumbo because disney thinks it is racist. I think I have to now suffer through blue's clues or some other disgusting thing. 
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Might just put on edward scissorhands anyway and tell her it is our little secret. I don't know
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Okay I found a peter pan cartoon she likes and it seems decent. I will survive
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@Bringerofrain
I said my scum read is Pie.

You are in my town pile and grey is lean town.

I am not claiming off the accusation of lurking. This is simply inaccurate since nothing of substances you said. I should not being scum read over something this small
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Wrong way to view things. If everyone waited for somebody to say something of substance before posting than nobody would post. We challenge each other and force discussion in hopes we can create substanntive dialogue
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I don't really believe in RVS tbh. I think there is always going to be a best option.  Right now I am trying to figure out if the supa is a good enough option here.
Yep. RVS really only works on noobs or people who tend to over react when voting. At this stage in the game, most players here probably know it's best not to react to a random vote.
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I’m generally against popcorn claims if the number of possible fake claims is very large. If there were a small number I’d be open to it cause that’s what happened in WWII Mafia. As of now I’d say no though 
I don't see why you'd be against it, unless you are familiar with the theme enough where you think you could guess roles based on claims. All it does is potentially lock scum in making a claim and warping whatever BS role they try to fit to the character later into town analysis.  At worst it does nothing anti-town, at best it could be added towards an argument for lynching someone suspicious (though probably not the sole argument). 
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I meant that they have a greater ability to choose a well known boxer no town player has. If we popcorn claims, we make fake claims all the easier for them. 
I think descriptions matching characters to role is more important. I don't care if they have Mike Tyson, if Mike Tyson is Vanilla, that's automatically sus.
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I am very bothered by how pie's responses to my accusation seem to imply he knows I am town. 

Read Pie's last to messages to me. How does he know I am town falsely accusing him with no evidence and not scum falsely accusing because I don't care about evidence? 


For on pie

My vote is still on chris though but hard fos


I like your train of thought here, that's pinging my radar a bit too...
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That town confirms me. Nice. The only town co firmed player wants to lynch supa. Let's do this
Character confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation
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Town?

Greyparrot- Could be wrong here, but as I said earlier, I think greyparrot would be more likely to claim something confirmable, or be up front about an unconfirmable role rather than claim something confirmable while also saying he refuses to use it. It's kind of an unneccesary risk. Could be wrong, but I can re-evaluate later.

Null

Bringer??? Kind of equally town and scum read him for various reasons, but slightly more town for now. Slight scum because his interactions with pie seem "bussy" but that's the conspiracy theorist maybe looking into things too much. Him not removing his vote from pie any time recently shows he probably stands by the read though which is why I lean town here, but still... Wary of bussing behavior.

Supa- To be fair, I don't think supa is lurking. Lurking is kind of a rarely used strategy, and there are several players who I think might use it, but none really play here anymore. Supa is more likely just lazy. If supa was lurking why does he bother to respond to you to tell you he isn't lurking? He would just hideif he was trying to lurk. Only reason I am null on him is because of how defensive and angry he is getting at being accused of lurking. I feel like the lurking argument is so poor that he would normally as town just shrug it off. I could see this being either way, though and am not confident to call this behavior scummy when it could just be genuine over-exagerated supa townie anger. 

MisterChris- Also on board with the "sUpA iS lUrKiNg" silliness, but get's a town point for pointing out deontay wilder being relevant and standing by grey not wanting to vig.

Oromagi- Kind of typical oro stuff so far nothing pinging me.

Speedrace- Pretty inactive thus far.

Scum??

Whiteflame- Because the greyparrot vote and subsequent seems low effort, and is his only real contribution. I am used to more interaction also from town whiteflame, even if it isn't substantive. I don't feel like he is trying to solve the game, and I feel like he is easy to town read when he is actively trying to solve. 

iLikePie- His interaction with bringer seems scummy to me. He initially seemed to ignore bringer's FOS on him, and was all too eager to forget about it when bringer switched to supa. He only brings it up again after bringer revotes him, asking people for opinions about it while STILL not forming his own about it. I care more about pie's thoughts on bringer apparently "Pushing him for nothing" than I do about others. It's like he's throwing it out there that it's scummy to see if anyone will bite, but not wanting to put his money where is mouth it. Which suggests to me that maybe bringer is on the money here. Also the supa push feels lazy and like an easier option for him to push than anyone else. I haven't been posting much either, why am I not being accused of lurking?

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I've got a wierd schedule next few days, Should be on monday and tuesday though. Will be asleep when the day phase closes, as I am working a 12 tonight on top of not sleeping for 24 already lol. People quitting is so fun! 
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Oh yeah the space hotel
recall the night it fell
four hundred miles at
forty hundred thousand miles per hour?
The Neo Tivoli
was struck by space debris
just shy of apogee
celeb calamity
pray for the space hotel
fireballed the night it fell
four hundred miles at
four hundred thousand Fahrenheit degrees?





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Speed is NEVER town.
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Whiteflame- Because the greyparrot vote and subsequent seems low effort, and is his only real contribution. I am used to more interaction also from town whiteflame, even if it isn't substantive. I don't feel like he is trying to solve the game, and I feel like he is easy to town read when he is actively trying to solve.
Understand this perspective, though honestly, this has more to do with RL factors. Haven't been as focused and completely lost track of this yesterday due to a heavy work schedule and an active puppy at home. 

As per usual, I don't find it very simple to "solve" things in DP1, though as I said earlier, I'm wary of GP's claim. I'd like it confirmed, but at the same time, I think he should only use it if he has a decent scum read. Shooting randomly, even if it confirms him, is probably not worth the cost.

I don't buy this business of Supa "lurking" either, especially given that my interactions with him on Discord suggest that he's been more focused on anime and manga recently. More likely that he's been distracted than that he's actively lurking.

Not much to say on Oro or Speed, the former because this is how I've always seen him play and the latter because he's been pretty inactive, which doesn't fit into what I usually see him do as scum (so a slight town read there). Can't say much on you either Luna due to the limited activity.

That leaves me with Bringer, MC and Pie. I can't say who I favor out of that bunch. Pie has been leading the way on pushing Supa, and while it isn't unusual for him to push a lynch this early off of so little, I think the fact that he's still on it when he's getting very little support doesn't help his standing. Bringer has been jumping around with his votes more than most, and while I know the least about him, he seems like he's being really easily influenced this game. His efforts to make it sound like he's town confirmed because his character got confirmed also stick out a bit as an effort to manipulate perception. MisterChris has always been difficult for me to read, but it's his higher activity this game that has me a little more concerned about him. My experience is that he tends to get more involved, especially early, when he's scum. Bringer and Pie are more sus to me atm, though, and while Pie has stood out to everyone else, I'm going to put my vote towards Bringer for now and see how Pie responds to being L-2.

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Supa: 1/5 (pie, bringer)
GP: 2/5 (speed, oro)
Speed: 1/5 (GP)
pie: 2/5 (supa, lunatic)
bringer: 1/5 (whiteflame)

If you believe I've made a mistake please let me know. Approximately 10.5 hours until EOD.
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We have 10 hours until the end of the DP and pie is on your scum list. Do you mind compromising here?

Unvote VTL Pie

I want to be clear about something. Me claiming I town confirmed was just a joke. I do think warren didn't need to come out and say that stuff, but he said he would feel guilty if ai got lynched because what he considers a real title does not involve the titles mentioned. I just don't think mods need to interject themselves to correct perceived mistakes. 


I ttypically will switch votes a lot, because for me, I just usually care more about winning by POE. I don't have much faith in my ability to scumhunt. I also don't think mislynches matter much until MYLO or LYLO.


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Willing to consider it, but given that we are now at L-2 (must've misread the votes), I'd like to see Pie's response. I'll put him at L-1 if he's intransigent.
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Yes, maybe we can get something out of him that will help us be more conclusive of his alignment.

I like tuf's analysis and makes me want to lean town on him. Lean town on speed at the moment. Oromagi I lean town on. You I think are town. I might expand on why I have these reads later. 


Pie and supa seem scummy. Chris less so but still in the scum pile. 

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Grey parrot I read town, but am willing to lynch to get rid of the distraction if we don't have 2 NKs and town will only lynch if he wants a up
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That's how you do it when you are inactive by the way. Lunatic didn't post much but his posts were enough to give us deep insight into what he is thinking and helps us to read him better.
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Pie has been leading the way on pushing Supa, and while it isn't unusual for him to push a lynch this early off of so little, I think the fact that he's still on it when he's getting very little support doesn't help his standing.
Right but that's the thing: If Pie were scum I'm pretty sure he'd morph his standing when town turns against him. Instead he's being classic stubborn town Pie. Now, if Pie does a 180 on Supa I'm going to sus him big time, but for now I'm not sure this is enough to push his lynch. Maybe a claim would be appropriate though.

Bringer has been jumping around with his votes more than most, and while I know the least about him, he seems like he's being really easily influenced this game. His efforts to make it sound like he's town confirmed because his character got confirmed also stick out a bit as an effort to manipulate perception.
This has been bothering me about Bringer. Also note that he retracted the statement "as a joke" when town started to scrutinize it. Of the two, Bringer is most scummy to me. 


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I think descriptions matching characters to role is more important. I don't care if they have Mike Tyson, if Mike Tyson is Vanilla, that's automatically sus.
It seems to me that roles and characters are pretty loosely tied this game.
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Luna's reads give enough insight and information to town to help town come to a better consensus. Slight town read for Luna
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Right but that's the thing: If Pie were scum I'm pretty sure he'd morph his standing when town turns against him. Instead he's being classic stubborn town Pie. Now, if Pie does a 180 on Supa I'm going to sus him big time, but for now I'm not sure this is enough to push his lynch. Maybe a claim would be appropriate though.
In games where Pie was town, he was very hesistant to put votes on people unless he was fully confident. He put a vote on me on the basis of lurking (which is simply not true). Pie becomes stubborn late game, not this early on, leaving me to believe he is hunting for a quick lynch
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 Only reason I am null on him is because of how defensive and angry he is getting at being accused of lurking
Pie put a vote on me because of lurking. I defended myself. It's not that much of an overreaction, the only thing different is that I scumread him
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iLikePie- His interaction with bringer seems scummy to me. He initially seemed to ignore bringer's FOS on him, and was all too eager to forget about it when bringer switched to supa. He only brings it up again after bringer revotes him, asking people for opinions about it while STILL not forming his own about it. I care more about pie's thoughts on bringer apparently "Pushing him for nothing" than I do about others. It's like he's throwing it out there that it's scummy to see if anyone will bite, but not wanting to put his money where is mouth it. Which suggests to me that maybe bringer is on the money here. Also the supa push feels lazy and like an easier option for him to push than anyone else. I haven't been posting much either, why am I not being accused of lurking?

If Bringer were town and Pie were scum, in my view I'd think Pie would have a much more fruitful time pushing Bringer, especially given the general town reaction against the Supa push.

I'm wondering if this implicates a Pie-Bringer scum team? Remember last game, I was bussed by Bringer quite a bit in the first DP so I don't put it past him to use the same strategy again.

If not that, then it at least casts some doubt for me as to Pie being scum. His push on Supa seems like a town Pie being stubborn more than anything to me. 

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Also:

We need to decide if we want Grey to use his vig role. If we do, we need to waive the lynch or else mafia might get 3 town kills bringing us straight to MYLO. 

I'm leaning towards Grey not using it.