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@Double_R
Well there already are some reasonable laws. Like if you say "go kill some blacks" to people and they do it, you're arrested.
If hate speech is banned
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@Double_R
Government is systemic oppression.
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@TheUnderdog
"RACE" = PROXY FOR SOCIAL STATUS
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@bmdrocks21
I wrote a whole god-damned long response to this that got lost in a browser crash just before hitting Create Post. It had a couple of PEW polls and a long personal story about my friend at FOX News, etc. Sorry but I just have no interest in rebuilding that long argument and anyway my loss might well be a blessing from everybody else's point of view.
--> @oromagiI agree with your assertion that liberals support free speech ideologically, but I disagree that the party that has historically been considered "liberal" supports free speech, at least to the degree that Republicans do. Free speech, at least until recently, seemed to be more of a bi-partisan thing. Republicans maybe supported it because it was in the Constitution, Democrats supporting it maybe because of ideology or some other reason.
Historically, its the Republican Party that has been the more liberal in US politics. But I'd suggest that core Republicanism as represented by Bill Kristol or Mitt Romney as well as core Conservatism as represented by George Will are not really within the Republican domain so long as Trump is king.
So I think that Alec is making the mistake of conflating Democrats with people who possess a liberal ideology.
I do think Alec is conflating liberal ideology with democratic. I also think you are conflating Conservatism and Republicanism with Trumpism when ideologically, there is little overlap. I don't think the polls about Democrat's tolerance of Trump voters represents Democratic traditional or overarching greater tolerance. I'm thinking about traditions like the Fundamentalist ( & Democratic) suppression of evolutionary science in Southern schools or the McCarthyist suppression of Socialist economics in the mid-20th Century. Even in modern terms, I find that the Republicans will think about Milo Yiannopolis' suppression (by students) at Berkeley while failing to note that Berkeley works hard to continue to bring those unpopular opinions on campus while classically Republican colleges such as BYU or Liberty seldom fail to protect unpopular opinion because unpopular opinion was never welcomed to begin with. Compare, for example, Berkeley's policy on free speech which is to "guarantee students the constitutionally protected rights of free expression, speech, assembly, and worship" vs. Brigham Young's policy which first and foremost limits any speech "with students or in public that:
- contradicts or opposes, rather than analyzes or discusses, fundamental Church doctrine or policy;
- deliberately attacks or derides the Church or its general leaders; or
- violates the Honor Code because the expression is dishonest, illegal, unchaste, profane, or unduly disrespectful of others."
I'd argue that a student at Berkeley, historically and presently, enjoys a much more expansive freedom of speech in that very liberal enclave than a student at very conservative BYU, in spite of recent anecdotal news stories to the contrary.