I got issues with this quiz too, but because a 'neutral' option exists, it ends up superior to political compass on balance as well as due to the depth of the results.
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
@Intelligence_06
@Sum1hugme
@Theweakeredge
My results are in the OP
If you want to do it, it's here. feel free to share your results.
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@3RU7AL
I think you will prefer these results and the 'axes' involved. :)
I'm apparently a libertarian socialist
I suppose I value civil freedom a fair bit, but I would still support things that focus on the entire world over an individual, or a group over an individual, and I also support something like: a bare minimum fine for hate speech (hey, they have that in the UK... maybe we should have that too), so... i value well being of the majority over the freedom of any individual, though I suppose that it a pretty nuanced view. I just don't think the tests' label is quite accurate.
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@Theweakeredge
I think that you will actually get along well with 3RU7AL, the only difference between your outlooks seems to be that he believes in more conspiracy theories than you, regarding the 'elite'.
It doesn't surprise me that you got those results, the actual extremes were a little shocking but overall I expected you to get that.
I was also a little surprised by the extremes, I just don't think it has enough questions to catch my priorities, which... fair. I am interested by the conspiracies you said Bru7al believed in, perhaps I'm just daft - but I would be interested in what those are.
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@Theweakeredge
He believes in most things that the typical 'hardcore trumpite' believe but he believes (and I agree, overall) that if there is an organised elite pulling strings, they are actually sided towards the right wing and are playing both sides against each other with no intention to genuinely let Socialism ever succeed.
I don't fully understand his theory, I also think that 3RU7AL sees himself as a 'libertarian centrist' even though he's actually very Socialist. The problem is that he sees the 'wings' as a fake invention to enable the 2-party system nations have in place.
I have my results posted in the political compass page.
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@Intelligence_06
We have very similar outlooks, and similar to Political Compass, you are the more Centrist of us.
Looks like I'm somewhere in between Intelligence and RM. These results are pretty consistent with ones I've received taking this previously.
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@whiteflame
You have literally the same percentages as me... xD
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@RationalMadman
Looks like I posted your link instead of mine somehow, was comparing. Here's my actual link, still pretty close:
You are more 'conservative' than me (as opposed to more 'right wing' per se). The third criterion is not really to do with conservatism itself, I can imagine why we're nearly identical there, because you and I are both extremely sensible/pragmatic about sacrificing freedom and privacy for greater net-freedom and safety/security.
Why do both tests identify so many liberals?
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@3RU7AL
You asked for a superior alternative to political compass, I think RM just found one. The way the questions are worded is much better, PC felt like it was targeted specifically to people living in the early 21st century and heavily biased towards certain specific viewpoints.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You asked for a superior alternative to political compass, I think RM just found one. The way the questions are worded is much better, PC felt like it was targeted specifically to people living in the early 21st century and heavily biased towards certain specific viewpoints.
Thanks for the notification.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I find these results do not adequately reflect my radical anti-globalist and radical anti-corporation views.
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@ILikePie5
Right-Wing Populism
Would you say that's generally accurate?
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@Intelligence_06
Why do both tests identify so many liberals?
Because so many people who vote republican think politics is ONLY about abortion.
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@RationalMadman
I also think that 3RU7AL sees himself as a 'libertarian centrist'
Nope.
even though he's actually very Socialist.
ONLY if by "socialist" you mean I believe families should cooperate with their neighbors out of pure pragmatic necessity (and not forced to by some "authority").
The problem is that he sees the 'wings' as a fake invention to enable the 2-party system nations have in place.
You are 100% correct on that one.
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@Theweakeredge
I just don't think the tests' label is quite accurate.
I agree, but at least it seems somewhat "less-wrong" than the standard one-dimensional "LEFT-RIGHT".
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@RationalMadman
I think you will prefer these results and the 'axes' involved. :)
Thank you for the notification.
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@3RU7AL
I find these results do not adequately reflect my radical anti-globalist and radical anti-corporation views.
It does look at the issue of globalism in the nationalism score. If you scored lower on that than you think you should have then maybe take it again and record all your answers to questions relating to globalism and post them here to discuss.
Anti-corporation sentiment is reflected by your low market score.
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@RationalMadman
You are more 'conservative' than me (as opposed to more 'right wing' per se). The third criterion is not really to do with conservatism itself, I can imagine why we're nearly identical there, because you and I are both extremely sensible/pragmatic about sacrificing freedom and privacy for greater net-freedom and safety/security.
Didn't notice this response before. I'd say that I've generally shifted a bit towards the conservative side on a select set of issues, which, yeah, has more to do with basic pragmatism. I think part of the problem with so much of politics today is that there are a lot of baked-in assumptions about your positions based on where you generally reside (I would still be characterized as a liberal) that don't acknowledge the reality that many of us can and do hold positions on different sides of the political spectrum on different issues. It's always struck me as odd when anyone on either side (conservative/liberal) is outright dismissive of the other side simply because both make valid points. It's largely about how they're applied to sets of issues rather than whether they're applied at all.
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@whiteflame
I am not really in agreement with you there.
It actually makes sense to me why both wings dismiss the other but the left wing genuinely has more depth to it, period, full-stop not even close. If you were to have a proper interview even with Jordan Peterson (who I consider a highly intellectual right-wing individual), you would find that his actual views and way of forming his overall political agenda is extremely confusing and murky, since he bases everything on what he sees as 'wrong' and tries to go in the other direction.
The reason why left-wing sided people are less 'omg wow' personalities than the likes of JP, Milo Y, Alex Jones etc. is because when you are left wing, you generally understand that you aren't the important part of the politics, you are a vessel through which politics should be carried out in favour of the society's net-security and net-progression towards harmony and success. This is even true for the corrupt bastards who ruled USSR, Communist China, Oldschool Cuba etc. You will find that unlike right-wing dictators, left-wing dictators often understand that they aren't the biggest dog in the yard, it is actually them understanding this that makes them so dangerous if their group of loyalists gains power and if they then abuse that power, since the group operates with a left-wing ethos of protecting each other's interests and success (if they're truly aligned in said interests) than most right-wing 'groups' do.
The right-wing ethos seems more rational at first; worry about me and my kind first, then the overall group later. However, in practise what happens is that you just become a neglectful joke of a leader, unworthy of respect and admiration, instead approached with fear (in various forms, ranging from sycophantic love to deep hatred), the brutal right-wing rulers make it all about them, the person, and their 'type'. They overvalue 'loyalty' to the tight-knit group they begin with and undervalue loyaty to the overall agenda they have, since the right-wing never has a clear agenda in the first place.
The Right-Wing is extremely good at appearing 'good' in comparison with the left-wing variants, due to poking at things and exaggerating them. The Left-Wing is less flashy and brutal with its media front, much more of a slow burning snowball, trying to highlight constant realities in the world and explaining why they're due mainly to the Right.
The problem is that when you keep saying the 'other side' is the issue, without exaggerating and being ready to seem like the bad guy, the other side can win elections, by successfully making you out to be the villain instead.
Left-Wing ethos is how our scrawny ass bodied primate species came to dominate the planet; we didn't compete harder than two silverback gorillas, we shared information and resources and negotiated peace, eventually that is, to achieve the 21st century stronghold our species has over the world.
Imperialism was cute but it's not going to work much anymore. Noone loves the invader anymore, everyone roots for the underdog, we've seen in the past what happens when you back the 'strong right-wing imperialist'. China today is right-wing by the way, they just use the word 'communism' and 'equality' without knowing wtf either means at this point.
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@whiteflame
Eventually right-wing 'gangs in charge' fall apart due to rivalries and backstabbings. Left-wing ones fell apart due to the Cold War.