REPORTING AN ALLEGED CRIME IS LIBELOUS SLANDER AND SHOULD BE ILLEGAL

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https://observers.france24.com/en/20180402-how-detect-video-been-manipulated

This does absolutely nothing to solve a potential case of mistaken identity and or a staged video.
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Do you mean, like leverage to actually pay his taxes? Or not be a moral monster? Sure.

First - if you claim a video is doctored, it is your burden to prove, you have simply been assuming it to be the case. Second, it... actually does. If you read it. ;)
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First - if you claim a video is doctored, it is your burden to prove, you have simply been assuming it to be the case.
Not exactly.

A doctored video is NOT evidence of innocence.

Your claim appears to be that the hypothetical video constitutes an indisputable FACT (which is not the case).

Your hypothetical video MIGHT BE evidence of a FACT, but the hypothetical video itself is not PROOF.
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Do you mean, like leverage to actually pay his taxes? Or not be a moral monster? Sure.
Or it might be leverage to influence someone to commit further crimes (or merely embarrassing non-crimes), depending on who exactly has access to the data in question.
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Second, it... actually does. If you read it. ;)
Please be slightly more specific.
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Privacy is important, I see no reason why it is so important to justify incriminating somebody for revealing [POTENTIALLY] true information. You are assuming that every claim that somebody is a criminal is [POTENTIALLY] untrue, you are also assuming they have intentions to make their reputation fall (ARE YOU SUGGESTING SOMEONE MIGHT ACCUSE ANOTHER OF A CRIME IN ORDER TO BOLSTER THE REPUTATION OF THE ACCUSED?  THIS SEEMS UNLIKELY). It does not matter if their reputation does lower, only if they meant it to (WHY WOULD SOMEONE ACCUSE ANOTHER OF A CRIME?  PLEASE ENUMERATE THE POSSIBLE MOTIVES). That is the nature of crimes of words.
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Present hard data to demonstrate the Liar's Dividend
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Thought crime is at an all time high.
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The details of the video, however, would be, as that is how they analyze video. that doesn't change the fact though, even if it WAS untrue, that does not change the fact that the person, in this case me, did not intend to lower their reputation, in fact, even having good intents here. Now, it could be argued that the consequent of such an action matters more than the intent... and that would usually be a good argument... except you are assuming several things, in order for that to be the case.
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one is only a documented and verified occurrence, the other being a slippery slope.
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Yeah, I'm sorry if you continue to be dishonest and simply looking to repeat my words at me without any further justification or explanation this conversation is over and you will be blocked. I've already played this song and dance I do not plan to do it again.
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Your public reputation is your most valuable asset.

So there should be laws that keep people from saying mean things about each other in public.

Especially famous people.

Nobody should be able to use a photograph of you or talk about you ("use your name or your corporation's name as click-bait") WITHOUT YOUR EXPRESS CONSENT.

Celebrities and other public figures are constantly being accused of "not caring" about things like "the environment" and or "justice" and the like.

These kinds of claims are LIBELOUS SLANDER AND SHOULD BE ILLEGAL.

Caring about the "right" or "wrong" things is not a crime yet.

And since it is an indisputable fact that people don't know the inner thoughts (actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea) of the people they hate, they should not be allowed to speak publicly on the matter without facing steep fines and penalties.
And if they refuse to pay?

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And if they refuse to pay?
Convince them compliance is in their own personal best interests.
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This interaction is purely voluntary.

And I am not being dishonest.

Please try to keep your ad hominem attacks to a minimum.
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Convince them compliance is in their own personal best interests.
And how would non-compliance render a result that is against their best-interests?
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And how would non-compliance render a result that is against their best-interests?
It would necessarily be custom tailored to each individual based on the complicated specifics of the peculiarities of their unique situation.
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It would necessarily be custom tailored to each individual based on the complicated specifics of the peculiarities of their unique situation.
And would any of these custom-tailored responses include reprisals and violence?
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Ad hominems? I'm guessing you don't care whether those criticisms are true? Mm, interesting way to improve yourself there. Furthermore, I've seen enough of my points ignored and don't care enough about this to continue an all day back and forth.
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Ad hominems? I'm guessing you don't care whether those criticisms are true?
Specifically your claim that I am somehow vaguely "dishonest".
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And would any of these custom-tailored responses include reprisals and violence?
Of course not, what, do you think the police are just like mobsters or something?
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Your public reputation is your most valuable asset. [...] there should be laws that keep people from saying mean things about each other in public. [...] they should not be allowed to speak publicly on the matter without facing steep fines and penalties.
There's already laws for this stuff. (e.g. https://www.aclu.org/issues/free-speech/map-states-criminal-laws-against-defamation ) I don't think any of the laws prohibit speaking publicly about people one hates. That goes too far because people who are hated for good reasons would be able to use a law like that to muzzle their haters.
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That goes too far because people who are hated for good reasons
How will we protect the millions of people who are hated for bad reasons?
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That goes too far because people who are hated for good reasons
Is there ever a good reason to hate?
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Is there ever a good reason to hate?
I think so. I hate lots of people.
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Is there ever a good reason to hate?
I think so. I hate lots of people.
Are you able to explain why?
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Of course not, what, do you think the police are just like mobsters or something?
In a manner of speaking, yes.
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Are you able to explain why?
It isn't relevant.
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How will we protect the millions of people who are hated for bad reasons?
I don’t know. My reputation isn’t really that important to me. I think my credit reports are important. I don’t really monetize my reputation.

Controlling defamation has to be balanced with free-speech interest. The best way I think it’s probably to foster a culture of truth seeking, fact-checking, incredulity and skepticism to prevent rumors from spreading through the population like viruses.
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The best way I think it’s probably to foster a culture of truth seeking, fact-checking, incredulity and skepticism to prevent rumors from spreading through the population like viruses.
I agree.

And we don't need any speech laws to implement this.
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Are you able to explain why?
It isn't relevant.
Perhaps you could speculate generally about good reasons to hate?