WWII Nations Mafia - DP3

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@Lunatic
How do you know they have a ninja?
I believe Supa


Why do you think it's every night?
Why do you think it's not?

If you are doc, what you think scum didn't have a counter to that?
Very possible

Even if scum do have a ninja, which is possible, it's likely 1x, and they probably have strongman too.
You don't know either of those things

Why wouldn't they have strongmanned you last night?
Maybe because they don't have one and instead have a ninja?

Why would they have happened to use the 1x ninja last night?
Assumes it's 1x

There are so many possibilities that it's crazy that you think it all amounts to one thing here; Mafia have a ninja and used it last night on you conveinently, as opposed to supa is lying.
Supa had no reason to out watcher and results first thing. He's town. If Mikal flips town, then I'll lynch between Oro and Supa. Otherwise, no

There is still no cop claim too.
By that logic, you should be on Oro, not Supa. But the cop was pie

You are willing to believe sensor doesn't exist even though his results line with yours. This is baffling. 
HOW?
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Idk what more I can say here, one of supa or oro is scum here. Supa leans scummier especially for watching hated. Up to you all from here. 
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@Lunatic
I mean its possible but why is it more possible than mikal not lying, especially since there is no cop claim? Oh because pie was convienently also the cop? You rely too heavily on convienences lol.
You're literally contradicting yourself. If Mikal is telling the truth, there can't be a cop via game balance, so Oro would then be scum. But you're on Supa. Explain that

And you don't think he would made illogical decisions as scum? If I cared enough to do my research I am sure I can prove you wrong here on at least 2-3 occasions, likely more. 
What illogical decision did he make here if he's scum lol? Changing his results to say I visited myself? I don't buy it
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What's your justification for watching hated townie?
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1) The only roles outted were Miller, Vanilla, and Hated
2) If there is not enough evidence with roles to attack, mafia could choose Elm because he is a good mafia player
3) I wasn't thinking too much and chose randomly to see
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I think I believe Supa too.  I don't see any reason for Supa to change his story unmprompted.  I hate his NP1 watch but I believe his change of story was prompted by Chris, which therefore sort of confirms Supa to my mind.

If I wasn't MILLER, I'd probably be sus'ing the MILLER now.  But I am MILLER which means I believe there was or is a COP.  Which means that SENSOR is not only too OP for this game but also too many intel roles combined with WATCHER and COP.

VTL Elminster
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Just need you *puppy eyes*
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@Speedrace
How do you know they have a ninja?
I believe Supa
Why?

Why do you think it's every night?
Why do you think it's not?
I already told you why. If you are actually a doctor, then mafia have no counter to you, especially if you can self doc. You are invulnerable.

If you are doc, what you think scum didn't have a counter to that?
Very possible
It's also very possible that there isn't actually a watcher and thus no ninja. You are choosing the narrative you want based on almost nothing.

Even if scum do have a ninja, which is possible, it's likely 1x, and they probably have strongman too.
You don't know either of those things
There's sufficient reason to back those theories up. More weight to them than mafia having an everynight ninja lol

Why wouldn't they have strongmanned you last night?
Maybe because they don't have one and instead have a ninja?
Why does misterchris only care if mafia have a counter to watcher and not doc?

Why would they have happened to use the 1x ninja last night?
Assumes it's 1x
Again, why not a strongman?

There are so many possibilities that it's crazy that you think it all amounts to one thing here; Mafia have a ninja and used it last night on you conveinently, as opposed to supa is lying.
Supa had no reason to out watcher and results first thing. He's town. If Mikal flips town, then I'll lynch between Oro and Supa. Otherwise, no
You are right; supa didn't have to out his results. Mikal just asked him to and he panic'd and did, and not his results don't line up with your night actions, or have changed to add them. Which is why you of all people should be suspecting supa here.

There is still no cop claim too.
By that logic, you should be on Oro, not Supa. But the cop was pie
By elminsters results it can only be one or the other. And again, at least there's the possibility pie was cop so this is why we lynch supa, and if supa is town oro tomorrow. 

You are willing to believe sensor doesn't exist even though his results line with yours. This is baffling. 
HOW?
You docced yourself. There was no night kill. Supas results don't show anyone visiting you. Mikals results say one of you oro or supa is lying. Supa has been proven to be lying. Your results line up unless you throw every convienent excuse in the book at it. Which you are doing. 
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Bruh. Miller is incompatible with Sensor because of the need for a cop and a balanced game. So if Mikal is town, Supa is ALSO confirmed town. So literally no matter what, Mafia used a ninja on me


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Far as I'm concerned, either Elm is scum, or Oro is scum. It's one or the other because having a Sensor, Doc, Watcher and Cop is far too much.

So, I'm willing to test that with a lynch on either one. My preference is Oro at the moment. 

I'm still having trouble deciding whether Supa slipped up or not. I'd like to read back through what happened to get a clearer picture, but I'm exhausted and will likely do it in the morning. For now, I'll keep my focus on whether to lynch Elm or Oro this DP, since that's a cleaner choice.
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So, I'm willing to test that with a lynch on either one. My preference is Oro at the moment. 
Noooooooooooooooooooooo
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What? There’s ninjas? I’m so confused.
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What? There’s ninjas? I’m so confused.
Ninjas are players that can carry out the mafia night kill without appearing on watcher or tracker results
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VOTE COUNT:

Intelligence_06 [Elminster] (4/5) - Speedrace, Reece101, SupaDudz, oromagi
Speedrace (1/5) - Elminster,
SupaDudz (1/5) - Lunatic
Oromagi (1/5) - Whiteflame

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Okay thanks.
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Bruh. Miller is incompatible with Sensor because of the need for a cop and a balanced game. So if Mikal is town, Supa is ALSO confirmed town. So literally no matter what, Mafia used a ninja on me
So pie is only janitored cop when it fits your narrative. Gotcha.
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@Lunatic
So pie is only janitored cop when it fits your narrative. Gotcha.
What? If Mikal is sensor, Pie can't be cop because of balance, which means Oro is scum. If Mikal isn't sensor, obviously Oro isn't scum.
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Also, do you really think Chris would allow a non-1x sensor?
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What? If Mikal is sensor, Pie can't be cop because of balance, which means Oro is scum. If Mikal isn't sensor, obviously Oro isn't scum.
We agree for the most part but your narrative slightly deters you from the correct path here. Theres supposedly 3 investigators. I agree one of them is false because it would be OP. You agree too but refuse to see supa as an option despite him having the most inconsistent results of the three and o understandable reason for targeting hated townie np1. If you could just remove the narrative blindfolding you, you would see that supa is the lynch here and if town we lynch oro. Mikal makes the least sense here. His results line with yours
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@Lunatic
We agree for the most part but your narrative slightly deters you from the correct path here. Theres supposedly 3 investigators. I agree one of them is false because it would be OP. You agree too but refuse to see supa as an option despite him having the most inconsistent results of the three and o understandable reason for targeting hated townie np1. If you could just remove the narrative blindfolding you, you would see that supa is the lynch here and if town we lynch oro. Mikal makes the least sense here. His results line with yours
What? If Supa is scum, that means there's a cop AND a sensor b/c Oro would be telling the truth. That's stupid
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Also, do you really think Chris would allow a non-1x sensor?
Why not? If hes believed scum night kill him, if not hes a mislynch. In fact hes always a mislynch because his results could lead to a mislynch and cause people not to trust him. Belief in a sensor is what makes it OP, not the role itself.

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We’re going through the stages of grief. This is the bargaining stage.
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What? If Supa is scum, that means there's a cop AND a sensor b/c Oro would be telling the truth. That's stupid
Why is a cop and a sensor more OP than a watcher and a cop? Especially considering the wagon currently on the sensor. Sensor is more mislynchable than either generally. 
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We’re going through the stages of grief. This is the bargaining stage.
Okay lucky
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Why is a cop and a sensor more OP than a watcher and a cop? Especially considering the wagon currently on the sensor. Sensor is more mislynchable than either generally. 
????????????????????????????????? Watcher and Cop isn't OP because mafia can be given direct counters to both. Mafia has no counter for sensor
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????????????????????????????????? Watcher and Cop isn't OP because mafia can be given direct counters to both. Mafia has no counter for sensor
Mislynching a sensor is a pretty big counter.
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Mislynching a sensor is a pretty big counter.
No it's not lol, PLEASE point me to a time when a sensor has been mislynched. And even if they are, then their results are confirmed when they flip inno. You sound like you're high
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No it's not lol, PLEASE point me to a time when a sensor has been mislynched. And even if they are, then their results are confirmed when they flip inno. You sound like you're high
How many games do you actually play in where are sensors in it?  The only game I can even think of on DART was where whiteflame was sensor. It was his first game, so he was believed because there was no way he could come up with that as a fake claim. Also I am not high, but I do take note of your trying to use insults here. A common strategy for someone backed in a corner, who knows they are losing the argument. 
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@Lunatic
How many games do you actually play in where are sensors in it?
What I know is that no one balances a game by "who is likely to be mislynched." And again, you can't point out an example of a sensor being mislynched lol

Also I am not high, but I do take note of your trying to use insults here. A common strategy for someone backed in a corner, who knows they are losing the argument. 
Elminster insulted me when I said he was scum, so let's follow your logic and lynch him :)

Also, this you? Hypocrite
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Okay, lets test oro then.

VTL ORO