WWII Nations Mafia - DP3

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@oromagi
I watched Germany makes aggressive moves to start but didn't do anything about for weeks. Because of the fact I watched them make these aggressive moves, I am the watcher
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Speed visited himself last night. Chris sent me a clarification in my PM. No other visitors visited Speed

oh wait a darned second. Unvote. 

thats sus
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I responded to why I targeted hated, but simple reason is that Elm sometimes dies early in game and if I could see that then I could have a lead
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So this is between oromagi and supa for me. Both are implicated by the sensor.

Oro could be lying but there is the possibility that pie was cop.

Supa literally just changed his results after speed revealed, even though commonly people aren't seen visiting themselves. Supa is harder to believe because we have to buy that mafia waived or convienently ninja'd last night.

This feels like supa.

vtl supa
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I responded to why I targeted hated, but simple reason is that Elm sometimes dies early in game and if I could see that then I could have a lead
Mafia would never in their right mind target hated townie. Did you forget elm claimed hated?
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@Lunatic
I just got a PM notification from Chris dude. Idk wtf to say.
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@Lunatic
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I now see that he's Poland. I'm still wary of Elm's claim, though I have a harder time dismissing Speed's. At least theoretically (assuming protective roles didn't play a part), that means he was targeted by scum during the NP, though now he's run out of shots with his doc role. Still, if he stopped even 1 NK by doctoring himself, than it was worth it.

But yeah, in general, I'm wary of Oro's claim. His character seems overly safe, and his role hasn't got a shred of support to it. Maybe Pie was the cop, but odds aren't in favor of that. If scum is among the people who claimed after he was killed, they would have used his claim, and neither Poland nor Canada really fit a cop role. It's possible that scum had already claimed by then, but if they did, they would have claimed something safe. Oro fits that well enough.

VTL Oro
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@Lunatic
But elminsters results do suggest one of pie or supa, and given that speeds results line up with elminsters, I think we are better off lynching oro here. Also why would elminster lie so early for no reason? 

I dont buy SENSOR.....seems to OP for this game.  EVEN claim seems convenient way to explain no NP1 check.  You seem to have swung 180 on the claim and I wonder why.
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@Lunatic
No. I have no idea what the mindset of the mafia is. I just know he gets targeted cause of his reads sometimes and dies in NP1. Only reason. Probably should have chose someone better
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Supa literally just changed his results after speed revealed, even though commonly people aren't seen visiting themselves. Supa is harder to believe because we have to buy that mafia waived or convienently ninja'd last night.
No, we can literally get Chris to confirm if there was a mistake or not because this is colossal lol

@Chris was there a mistake made with NP results?
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@oromagi
I dont buy SENSOR.....seems to OP for this game.  EVEN claim seems convenient way to explain no NP1 check.  You seem to have swung 180 on the claim and I wonder why.
The lack of a claimed cop is literally why lol. Regardless, thoughts on supas results swap? And justification for targeting hated townie np1?
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@Lunatic
Chris just said a watcher counts self visited. I don't know what to say but he told me speed visited no one then changed it. I have no defense for something like this
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@Speedrace
Supa literally just changed his results after speed revealed, even though commonly people aren't seen visiting themselves. Supa is harder to believe because we have to buy that mafia waived or convienently ninja'd last night.
No, we can literally get Chris to confirm if there was a mistake or not because this is colossal lol

@Chris was there a mistake made with NP results?
I'll wait to see what Chris says before I go forward with any changes. Still think Oro is sus.
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@whiteflame
his role hasn't got a shred of support to it.
There's no further support to offer except everything up front.
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I buy Supa more from this because this is what a noob mod would do lol. No offense Chris, I made way worse mistakes my first game
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@oromagi
Yep. Don't expect you to provide anything more. Impossible to support.
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@whiteflame
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I now see that he's Poland. I'm still wary of Elm's claim, though I have a harder time dismissing Speed's. At least theoretically (assuming protective roles didn't play a part), that means he was targeted by scum during the NP, though now he's run out of shots with his doc role. Still, if he stopped even 1 NK by doctoring himself, than it was worth it.

But yeah, in general, I'm wary of Oro's claim. His character seems overly safe, and his role hasn't got a shred of support to it. Maybe Pie was the cop, but odds aren't in favor of that. If scum is among the people who claimed after he was killed, they would have used his claim, and neither Poland nor Canada really fit a cop role. It's possible that scum had already claimed by then, but if they did, they would have claimed something safe. Oro fits that well enough.

VTL Oro

How did mafia not show up on supas report? Convienently ninjas? Waived? I ahve a harder time chewing that down than a sensor, especially consindering no cop. I say we get oro tomorrow, get supa today. 
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oro tomorrow if supa is innocent*
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@Lunatic
How did mafia not show up on supas report? Convienently ninjas? Waived? I ahve a harder time chewing that down than a sensor, especially consindering no cop. I say we get oro tomorrow, get supa today. 
Wait for Chris to confirm if there was a mistake or not
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How did mafia not show up on supas report? Convienently ninjas? Waived? I ahve a harder time chewing that down than a sensor, especially consindering no cop. I say we get oro tomorrow, get supa today. 
Be willing to consider it, but I'm waiting to hear back from MC.
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I'm going to say this now, I have no control on mod mistakes and have no defense besides the "trust me bro." Only thing I will say about this is that as town, I would not be restricting this information from you. This just means Speed might be confirmed doc since he visited himself. 

I personally do not think self visits counts as visit, and I think this is a mistake from mod. He should've kept me with the result of Speed visiting no one.

As for why I jumped to see it just now, all I will say is that I was letting the chicken out of it's cage.

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@MisterChris
If you make a mistake with NP results, it's standard to just say "A mistake was made" or something like that
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I thought we were taking it slow?
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@Reece101
I thought we were taking it slow?
I was specifically asking people to wait for doc or cop to show up. Doc has revealed and cop doesn't seem to exist. That said I am not rushing anything lol .

Also you are not new. Nice try though. 
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Furthermore, I am now looking at oromagi and lunatic as my top 2 targets. Lunatic's quick jump onto my lynch without hearing my point of view seems like he is hunting for mislynches.
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@Chris was there a mistake made with NP results?

I can't confirm nor deny this. I am restricting my commentary to game mechanics. 
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Mikal is cackling right now. Y'all are idiots bruh
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@Lunatic
Tell me, if there is no cop, what is the point of having a miller?
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I'm just  hoping Mexico is not JANITOR