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@Vader
Not going to bandwagon's Speeds logic but that seems like a hard buddy to be scum
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@Speedrace
Bruh. Do you not see all the scum signs behaviorally??I will eat my hat if Mikal is not scum lolAnd GP right after him
I actually think the claim is suspicious, but I am doubting the behavior. He is extremely aggressive right now, calling out both me and you as scum. I think town mikal is more likely to be aggressively tunnely like that. I am not opposed to lynching mikal though, scum is guarateed to be between him, supa/oro, and me or reece given all the information we have. If we have cop out and give even more information that confirms another player that's even better. Especially if you think cop is x shot, there's no reason for them to go to their grave with an innocent result.
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@Elminster
Speed is just really bad as town, so i may be misreading it . Like horrendously bad
You're probably right. Speed is typically way more careful with monitoring his slippage as scum. Confusing NP actions for no reason.
UNVOTE.
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@Greyparrot
hes good as scum, but horrible as town. Thats why I want him to claim so we can poe but refusing just tilts me into heaven.
I'm so good as town i don't have to cooperate
not you suck as town and are are alright as scum
After he claims, I likely think we should be looking at oro. Because its very plausible miller was the fake role
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@Greyparrot
keep pressure on him for claim for now though so we can poe down
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@Speedrace
Speed do you have a pressing need to not claim and not help the poe?
Here's where we are at. Mikal is scum, or one of oro or supa is scum, and one of me and reece is scum. We could lynch mikal and find out tomorrow of course which it is, but if he's town that gives scum a free mislynch when it can potentially be avoided if mikal is town. Mafia would want mikal dead here unless he is scum.
The better solution would be to force a mass claim. Why not? We were about to anyway dp1. Cop could give results and it looks good for oro. If no cop, it looks bad for oro. Doctor can say who they protected, which seems like it was probably whiteflame, but if it was anyone else they are confirmed.
How about it, cop and doc? Save us a potential mislynch, and help the POE potentially 1-2 more townies.
im down to like any second for when friends show up for raid
as soon as people start getting in discord i'm going to be very inactive until sometime mid day tomorrow.
what we need to do
poe
Pick between oro and speed
find out why there was no nk (whether it was a doc or a waive)
get a claim from Reece to see if he is vanilla or a pr. If hes a pr, and did not submit we know its prob him as the second
do all this, game is ezpz.
you people overcomplicate everything
X. Pie xxxxxxxx XXXXXXXX
X. Elminster USSR HATED
TOWN
Oromagi Yugoslavia MILLER
Whiteflame Greece
Lunatic Mexico
Speed America
Greyparrot China VANILLA
Intelminster Poland SENSOR
Reece101 VANILLA
Supa France WATCHER
SCUM
X.SirAnonymous Japan ROLEBLOCKER
JANITOR
So can summon sum up the situation to see who agrees and who doesn’t.
I'll start with my claim since I am asking for cops and docs. I am the 2x enabler. Np1 I targeted Speedrace. I waived last night because roleblocker is dead so it seemed a waste since I don't know who it could be useful for yet. I am enabler because I assisted America with workers like farmers and gave them supplies for the war which was huge for
America at the time.
America at the time.
Some one*
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@Reece101
It's not so black and white yet
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@Speedrace
pls. confirm you do not CC Supa's claim that you did not move last night
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@Reece101
we need you to claim is the short of it. Most of us agree.
im leaving very shortly, can you please claim and help us figure this game out if your town
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@Speedrace
--> @Speedracepls. confirm you do not CC Supa's claim that you did not move last night
sorry that's wrong, not tracker
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@Elminster
reece said VANILLA but no country claim
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@oromagi
where did he say vanilla?
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@Elminster
Hmm you hard accused me at the start of this DP because I didn’t share if I had a power or not.
And voted for me.
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@Vader
There's no CC for WATCHER but I don't really buy watching Elm NP1. He had claimed HATED which SCUM likely believed so why would any SCUM visit Elm? Why watch a non-PR fully claimed on NP?
I buy watching Speed NP2
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@Reece101
i didn't hard accuse you.
You are likely misunderstanding because you didn't read the prior dps
us figuring out what you are helps us poe stuff down. You were not online so if you have a role that you had to submit it looks bad for you. If you claim vanilla, it likely means you are town
this helps us sort the game
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@Reece101
There is a lot of complext game stuff that is going on, and its prob very hard for a new player
The short version is if you are vanill and don't have a role. The game would keep going the way it does. This likely means you are town
if you have a role, and the game kept going. It likely means you are scum because you were not online to submit the action and the game kept going
its a complicated interaction but you telling us what you are , helps us reverse engineer the game
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@oromagi
There's no CC for WATCHER but I don't really buy watching Elm NP1. He had claimed HATED which SCUM likely believed so why would any SCUM visit Elm? Why watch a non-PR fully claimed on NP?I buy watching Speed NP2
Supa never said who he watched...?
I don't really buy SENSOR claim.
It's not that good a match for the Poland justification and if I was running my first game, I probably would not include SENSOR which MafiaWiki advises:
"Experiments with variants of Sensor have shown that no matter how hard you try to nerf a variant of this role, it nearly always ends up being overpowered anyway. For example, in cases where players' vote weights are unclear, players have a habit of deducing them (via massclaim or experimentally) just so that they can make use of the Sensor results."
I VTL'd Elm last DP on SOP- if somebody self-VTL's, lynch them.
VOTE COUNT:
Intelligence_06 [Elminster] (3/5) - Speedrace, Reece101, SupaDudz
Speedrace (1/5) - Elminster,
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@Speedrace
bruh
Watcher
NP1: Watched Elm1, visited by no one
NP2: Watched Speed, visited by no one
lmao
Well, I'm not the cop or the doc, so I can't help with that, Luna.
I have a hard time seeing GP as scum. He's normally all too willing to hop on a lynch of his fellow scum if they slip up. Doubt he would change up his tactics now, so if he was scum buddies with Mikal, this scenario wouldn't happen.
That doesn't man that Mikal isn't scum. It's possible that he has an even sensor role, but I have a somewhat difficult time believing that. I'm still pretty null on him behaviorally, though, so I can't say much there. Still, in general, I have a hard time seeing him as sus because of his claim. USSR would be a ballsy choice when there were still players who could CC him.
Based purely on claims, I also have a hard time sussing Supa and Speed. Both the US and France are similarly ballsy claims unless you know who's going to claim what, and since SirAnonymous didn't know to expect that I was Greece, they were either given a limited number of fake claims, or they were given none. Makes it hard to believe anyone would false claim these countries.
That leaves Reece, Luna and Oro. Mexico and Yugoslavia are both possible claims, and the fact that Greece is definitely in this gives them more than enough room to be true. However, they are both relatively safe claims to make. Canada would be slightly less sus of a claim, but it came as the last one, and could easily have been taken from Pie. So these 3 are in my POE pile, and I'd be willing to push any of them, but I'm leaning towards Oro right now.
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@Elminster
Yet I did say I was Canada. You would be helping the mafia mostly by sharing my ability or lack there of.
But what do I know. I’m a noob.
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@Elminster
can you confirmif someone were ot sub in on np2 for someone, they could use a np2 action lolthis is beyond the realm of a mod to say
I would allow them to use the role, yes.