WWII Nations Mafia - DP3

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Like you are literally assuming 3 mafia left. 
No, because the amount of people who will lynch Mikal, and the amount of people who will lynch Oro, are completely independent of how many mafia are left...?
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Anyway, WF when you log back on, please don't refer to Mikal for my views lol
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Speed is likely lyncher
Or janitored the doc 

A lyncher would not show up as "scum" on a sensor so this literally could make sense. 

His behavior and thought patterns are all over the place and aren't remotely consistent. 
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Well I'm ready to put the hammer on Oromagi if it is OK with town depending on how much time there is


@MisterChris

Timecheck?
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Wf literally look at what he's saying lol. He's basically saying that me luna and gp would never vote another way. 

Think about this.l logically

If I'm town. I'm telling the truth so we know one of the people on my wagon are scum or my results for fucked with which I think is impossible. 

If I'm town one of speed supa and oro are scum. 

That means both luna and gp can't be scum so only one could be 

If that's the case then why he is assuming that both of them and me are all voting the same way.  If they are both scum they would vote me in a heartbeat to end the game. But me as town that's not even a possible scenario because of results. 





If I'm scum then one of them has to be town. So again why is he assuming all of us are voting the same way.


It literally makes no sense. 




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Anyway off to do chores.


Read that summary, read what he's saying , and read the stand

I'm low-key really really starting to think he janitored doc as a claim.  We have to go oro here for poe but his thought process is all over the fucking place and I feel like mafia has roles that fuck with people. 

Half of his posts are also coming from an informed perspective like he has info he shouldn't. 


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Well I'm ready to put the hammer on Oromagi if it is OK with town depending on how much time there is
Please wait for WF :(
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The DP ends 7:05 PM EST Friday, February 05, 2021

You have about 55 hours.


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Yah speed has ZERO (logical) justification through hundreds of pages of fluff why he can't just do Oro then mikal.

His role is screaming lyncher to me, since he will lose if oro flips scum.
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A lyncher would not show up as "scum" on a sensor so this literally could make sense. 
Did you ask Chris this? I just asked him and he confirmed that this is true
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no im just assuming thats how it works based off past games

I can clarify when im back around near the computer but most ive seen dont show tp
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no im just assuming thats how it works based off past games
Nvm he told me that it does show up
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@Speedrace
A sensor just measures the amount of town players on any given lynch. A 3P would factor in as a non-town player, so yes, it's taken into account in the results.




so yes he just confirmed that for me as well


so interesting enough

maybe it could be a tp on the result and scum is still outside of it

this got way harder kekw



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That would be wild if Speed was Italy TP since it joined the allies in 1943.
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yeah im still think hes lyncher or janiorted the doc


after oro dies we will have a way to poe from there though
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if oro flips scum. It clears supa and speed 


that is another good reason to do this




if he flips inno, then its speed or supa


but i have to die next dp in that case either way to verify my results
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I didn't need to read much of this to get a sense that my initial feelings on the matter are shared.

I have a hard time understanding your argument for the next DP, Speed. The only way that it's true that we won't be able to get a lynch off on whomever we want is if attitudes stay exactly the same and no one's willing to change what they're doing right now. If that's a problem, then it's a problem whether we lynch Oro or Mikal. I don't see how lynching either one necessarily puts us in a better position. In general, this seems like an odd argument to me, and one I normally wouldn't expect to see from Speed. Not sure whether to read him as scum as a result, since he has a solid claim, but I'm a least a little uncertain now. Doesn't change my vote for this DP.
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Anyway, back to work. I'll likely not hop back on for another couple of hours.
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Fuck nvm then lmao
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The only way that it's true that we won't be able to get a lynch off on whomever we want is if attitudes stay exactly the same and no one's willing to change what they're doing right now.
Precisely, and that's exactly what's going to happen


If that's a problem, then it's a problem whether we lynch Oro or Mikal.
That's literally not true. EVERYONE except Oro himself wants to lynch Oro tomorrow. So if we lynch Mikal and he flips town, we have the numbers to lynch Oro tomorrow because me, you, Luna, Grey, Supa will ALL be on him.

But if we lynch Oro and he's town, the only people who want to lynch Mikal left are me, Supa, Reece (possibly?), and you. GP is extremely stubborn and won't switch. Luna is equally stubborn and won't switch. And obviously Mikal won't lynch himself.

So what happens is, if Mikal is scum, he just kills me, you, Supa, or Reece. That way, there aren't enough people to lynch him (because you'll need 4 votes tomorrow).

Thus, we have to lynch him today

I don't see how lynching either one necessarily puts us in a better position.
You agree with me that scum is Mikal or Oro. We will not get a chance to lynch Mikal after this. Thus, we have to do it today. But we have all the time in the world to lynch Oro if Mikal flips town
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I am the MILLER.  The whole point of the role is to be less trusted by TOWN.  The only way you can tell I'm not scum because I'm not trying to baffle TOWN with a rapidly shifting cascade of internally inconsistent arguments.   
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GP is extremely stubborn and won't switch.

Okay lyncher.
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If I promise to vote mikal tomorrow will you vote  Oro?
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If I promise to vote Oro tomorrow will you vote  Mikal?
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Speeds logic is literally non sensical. 


if oro flips miller, I'm the obvious target. Anyone can see that. The more he does this the more it makes me think he has some fuckery role with results. 


I've explained in detail why hes wrong and even wf pointed it out lol. Its total nonsense 


the major difference is you go oro (from a town perspective) and if he flips scum. Then you get another day of sensor results (hopefully). If not then you go me lmao. This is like brain dead at this point

the fact that hes so tunnel on this is so dumb its painful lol
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if oro flips miller, I'm the obvious target. Anyone can see that. The more he does this the more it makes me think he has some fuckery role with results. 
Ok, please point me to a group of five people who will all vote for you if Oro flips miller. Please. Oh wait, you can't? Because TWO people are REFUSING to vote you? WOWWWWW that's crazy

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@Speedrace
they are refusing to vote me now because killing or o makes sense you potato

gp already said he would vote me if oro flips town. Any person with common sense would. all you need is one more person to say it


you are actually braindead atm lol. 
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gp if oro flips miller you promise to vote me?
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@Elminster
they are refusing to vote me now because killing or o makes sense you potato
Luna literally argued with me for like 5 pages on why you're not scum, and he said he will lynch Supa next DP, not you

gp already said he would vote me if oro flips town
Where

My point isn't that they won't vote for you now, it's that they won't vote for you NEXT dp

you are actually braindead atm lol. 
Please point me to where Luna and GP said they would vote you if Oro flips town
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@Elminster
gp if oro flips miller you promise to vote me?
I need confirmation from before lol. He's just gonna lie now