Growing Older I've Lost Identity To A Political Party

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As I witnessed the election and everything play out, from Trump to Biden and how poorly they are handling everything in the situation, I find myself drifting away from a political party. I find myself drifting to the bottom right of the compass

I am becoming more Libertarian

To put it simply, I trust corporations more than I trust government. Corporations themselves are the people with the biggest impact. With the recent fiasco with Robinhood, my outright anger at Robinhood and anger at AOC for dividing the party when there is bipartisan agreement, I lose faith in both parties. Thus is where Libertarianism comes in. Corporations think for themselves by using the people to compete. In short, corporations are the people who help understand the consumer more than the government. Government sits on a pedestal of authority, only to work with corporations themselves and them claiming themselves to be the sole masterminds of equity. It's deplorable. It's on both sides too. Ultimately, Libertarianism stands for the freedom, and less government control, and less of a government influence. There are ideas and beliefs of Libertarianism that are ideal, and are ultimately the best way to balance the corporations and people. It should ultimately be corporations taking the decision, while the government stays behind and only suspects. Adding restrictions to obtain more authority is one step closer to fascism. While then there is the argument that corporations are corrupt as government, corporations are not entitled to be "righteous." Governments have the intent to be righteous and work for the people, where ultimately they benefit themselves. The government should set base guidelines and investigate when needed too. I agree that some restrictions and laws (monopolies, freedom of invest, etc.) should be preserved, the less the better. Free market strive when properly managed.

The two party system itself is failing at it's core. Democrats will shove agenda and propoganda down the throats by shoving money at public schools to sponsor their agenda while Republicans will be sneaky and greedy, trying to take advantage by asserting dominance. These parties work for themselves and restrict the freedoms of the people. Libertarians are free people.

Invest your money in whenever, be able to cut hair without a license, etc. It's ultimately about freedom. You can have opinions, as long as the freedom you have isn't taken away. Of course, I remain bottom right, but I slowly have gotten more Bottom Right. I believe abortions should be legal, but not sponsored by the govt so that people who don't believe in abortion have to pay tax. I believe markets should be free with minimal restrictions, I believe that immigrants are beneficial and should have easier paths to citizenship and there needs to be reform. However, I don't believe the minimum wage should be increased. I don't believe social security is beneficial to developing an ideal society for unemployed. 

So in conclusion, I've changed throughout my time. At first, I thought pure conservatism was beneficial, but as time raged on, I realize the freedom is the most beneficial, and Libertarianism is defined as freedom
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@Vader
To put it simply, I trust corporations more than I trust government.
I could not sum up the naivety and pseudoethics of right-wing Libertarianism better than your first sentence when you expand on your views. You are a genuine right-wing Libertarian; a corporatist without any agenda other than raw profit at the cost of any and all ethics.

At least you are honest about it. That sentence is genuinely what all right-wing Libertarians do and it is most astounding that very few would admit that in fighting against the 'wrath of government', they enable the wrath of corporations (that would happily profit at the sake of anyone and anything) to unleash without mercy.
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What are the "pseudoethics" of libertarianism?
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To begin with, at a core fundamental level, saying they support freedom for all when really they want the rich to oppress the masses (with unrelinquished 'freedom' to do so).
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Do not listen to RM.

Libertarianism means that there should be less restrictions on the markets and legislation. Bottom Right Libertarians believe that they shouldn't tell others what to do, but also shouldn't be paying taxes for things they won't use. We believe the government needs to be more hands off. While Democrats want more government regulation, Conservative say to not trust the government. Libertarians say that government can be trusted, but need to be hands off in their affairs. If you are Bottom Right, you think that government regulation is bad for the country if you are an extremist
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"Libertarianism is a family of views in political philosophy. Libertarians strongly value individual freedom and see this as justifying strong protections for individual freedom. Thus, libertarians insist that justice poses stringent limits to coercion. While people can be justifiably forced to do certain things (most obviously, to refrain from violating the rights of others) they cannot be coerced to serve the overall good of society, or even their own personal good. As a result, libertarians endorse strong rights to individual liberty and private property; defend civil liberties like equal rights for homosexuals; endorse drug decriminalization, open borders, and oppose most military interventions."
---Plato Stanford

For me, that alligns with my beliefs. However, I am opposed to open borders, thus making me lean right. I also believe that government should not fund any of these things and should be privately funded with some regulations
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Yes because corporations themselves have no power in dictating the laws of the people. Government has that power and at any moment can overthrow us if they obtain enough power. I ultimately trust corporation more than the government because ultimately I believe corporations work more for the people than government does 
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economic libertarians are clowns 
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If you are going to call a group of peoples belief, "clowns," then you should stick to Twitter, a site where you can milk likes off your fellow Liberals versus a site for engaging in discourse.
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Yes because corporations themselves have no power in dictating the laws of the people. Government has that power and at any moment can overthrow us if they obtain enough power. I ultimately trust corporation more than the government because ultimately I believe corporations work more for the people than government does 
Aside from the fact this is untrue even in current politics, if we take a genuine right-wing libertarian nation, it is in fact because no rules are in place that corporations dictate everything via company policies and agendas since the poor can't in any way fight back.
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Almost all African and South American nations that aren't Socialist, are in fact right-wing Libertarian nations that turned ugly and corrupt due to what the system enables for the rich.

South Africa is an exception and is genuine right-wing Conservatism in a sense.
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Which is why I believe that basic regulations are not bad, but ultimately more regulations hurt more than they do benefit
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Most of the African countries of Right Wing descent are Extreme far bottom right, my stances is very moderate libertarian with a slight lean right
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I would say this, in a positive light:

You were a very right-wing Conservative who now identifies as a right-wing Libertarian who is skeptical of fully 'Liberating' everything in such an extreme sense as the AnCaps would want. 

You are heading in the right direction, as long as you keep heading in that direction. If you stop where you are at, that's the issue.

I also was Centrist at your age and went through transitions myself (actually my transition was a yo-yo, I went left-wing to centrist back to left wing).

I used to almost be a Socialist, then at your age and a little after it, I was a Centrist. I won't specify which age but basically I swung back to left wing, this time as a pragmatic Social Democrat who understands that Socialism is flawed.
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Libertarians think the government is too oppressive and that corporations use the government to oppress people. They think if there was less government then corporations lose their only tool to oppress people.
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Can you give a single real world example of it? I can give plenty but you'd say they're all wrong.
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How about the arbitrary lockdowns as a recent example where corporate warfare is waged on who can pay the most to get the government to shut down select businesses?
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how can u justify being an economic libertarian in the usa? for the most part, the only welfare that exists, is food stamps, a one time education benefit, and if you're lucky, healthcare. i suppose there are those tax credits for parents too poor to have kids. we dont have much of a welfare state, but here you are saying what we do have is too much. compared to the rest of the world, even the democratic party is largely conservative, yet here you are claiming a radical version of conservatism. 

do you like being a radical? 
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We have plenty of corporate welfare subsidies.
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 the only welfare that exists, is food stamps
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Just out of curiosity, would you say that freedom is an end in and of itself or is it merely a means to an end (presumably that end being a better society)?
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Freedom in the purest form is an end in and of itself. Being free to do as you please is something that you would desire for selfish reasons. In Modern Times, such as government, I genuinely believe more freedom is a means to an end and that end being a better society. I think humans ruin the idea of freedom due to their selfish desires and evil insides, which freedom is cause, but that is why I believe base rules are essential. There needs to be a balance, but ultimately if we lived in an Utopian society where people did not have evil desires, I would say freedom is the best way to operate
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Freedom in the purest form is an end in and of itself
Don't be a libertarian, then. Horrible wages and poverty are antithetical to liberty. 
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Cool, so it seems like you believe that ultimate freedom in a utopian society would be optimal, but intrinsic human nature makes this level of freedom difficult to implement. I suppose then that my difference with you would be our respective faith in freedom (with you having far more faith than I).

Thank you for clarifying, I always have this question for people who describe themselves as "Libertarians."
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People are oppressed by their own inabilities....At every level of a society.

Some people rely on others....And the others become those that control and oppress....It's the hierarchical nature of human society and how things work.

The controlling tool of the hierarchy is wealth and the distribution thereof.....Second, is power derived from wealth...And how fairly these factors play out in societies, is reliant upon the will and sensibilities of those that achieve positions of control. 




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People are oppressed by their own inabilities....At every level of a society.

Only if you choose to let your disabilities have power over you and you surrender to them. Otherwise, you can choose to be better instead of a pitiful fuckup.

Some people rely on others....And the others become those that control and oppress....It's the hierarchical nature of human society and how things work.
Everyone has a vestigial herd mentality at every level. Controlling it leads to actual happiness.

The controlling tool of the hierarchy is wealth and the distribution thereof.....Second, is power derived from wealth...And how fairly these factors play out in societies, is reliant upon the will and sensibilities of those that achieve positions of control. 
Some people don't need to be hyperproductive to appease the vestigial evolutionary urges to be productive for society. Assuming all people do is a fuckup on your part.



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Yep....That's what I said, just about....But without the "fuck ups".

Natural hierarchy of ability dictates social structure....As such, ability is the motivator of choice.

"Fuck ups", might or might not possess the ability to improve......Therefore choice, might or might not be a determining factor.
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Therefore choice, might or might not be a determining factor.

You could never pass a Turing test with that kind of linear thinking.
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Yes that would be the case