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@Speedrace
Negal isn't a main antagonist
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@Speedrace
I'm not saying you had scar. I'm saying you had simba or mufasa
And you were probably scared to claim scar because he could exist
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@Vader
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So my point is that the theme isn't main antagonists...? How is that blaming you
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@Speedrace
Negans like 5-8? I think. The arc from where he killed glenn up to the whisperer arc where they started trying to humanize him while keeping him a bad ass
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@Elminster
I'm not saying you had scar. I'm saying you had simba or mufasaAnd you were probably scared to claim scar because he could exist
If everyone is from a different show or movie, that wouldn't be true
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@Speedrace
You literally said that LOTR isn't even a show. Was your true intention trying to prove it's antagonists vs protag
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@Speedrace
Bruh, a justification is what links your role to your character. You're thinking of justifying my actions in my pm. They're completely different
These are the problems with your claim and justification
A.) You claimed 3 separate individuals as one whole group
B.) Everyone’s PM so far states that their character is a villain but their actions were justified by Lunatic in a perverted way. Yours doesn’t fit that per your own admission - more on that later below
C.) You said you knew the theme to be good vs bad but clearly you didn’t know the theme and you were harping on me about it. If it wasn’t what I said about perversion then where did the whole starving thing come from.
It briefly says I was banished for being different but doesn't really try to justify what I did
D.) You said this but then you say this:
It says that the other animals have a high horse and that the hyenas were starving, but not that they weren't bad
Right after Drafter asks if it says anything about doing what they did because they were starving. You either purposely didn’t mention that part earlier for some reason or added it later while panicking as scum.
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@Speedrace
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@Speedrace
Negal isn't a main antagonist
Oh he definitely is a main antagonist lol.
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@Speedrace
Town is from different things. Doesn't mean he can't overlap scum.
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@ILikePie5
I think Speed is trying to desperately grab at straws to try to defend himself. He is now trying to switch what he said so he can change what is claimed to be the theme split of this game.
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@Elminster
Negans absolutely a main antagonist for like 3 seasons. And he was liked so much they started to try and turn him good.
Exactly. His relationship with Judith really changed him after he was captured. Spoiler alert but he helped kill Alpha in the Whisperer Arc.
Which is why miller fits. But he's a polarizing figure. My theory is that every other town character is polarizing. Main may be a bad word
I definitely agree. Miller fits perfectly. Still inherently sus of the claim but it’s definitely a positive for Supa moving forward.
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@Speedrace
Seasons? LOTR isn't a TV show :|
Negan’s in The Walking Dead not Lord of the Rings
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@Elminster
Only thing with Speed that's throwing me off is that if he is scum is why if he was actually Simba, would claim the hyenas knowing it would be an outlier. If he doesn't know the theme split and was from early on saying his character was a group, why would he claim that versus claiming Scar. While yes, the risk of being CC'd is a viable option, but I don't think it'd be proper modding to include 2 people from the same show as opposite factions
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@Elminster
I'm the hyenas, I'm vanilla because I'm weak and couldn't deal with a warthog and a meerkat
Hes backtracking so hard. He said earlier that they were starving lol.
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@ILikePie5
Basically on the same page. This was a high iq fake claim if it is one. To risk claiming that with no information given this game and to be able to tie it to miller.
Him killing alpha is when they starting giving him a turn toward good. So if it's inverse mafia it fits perfect because began has technically been good and bad
Negan is also the perfect villan. If anybody would be town in a antagonist is town game , negan def would be. He's prob the most ruthless, hated , loved villan of any show ever. It's like sephiroth in the game world
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@Vader
Only thing with Speed that's throwing me off is that if he is scum is why if he was actually Simba, would claim the hyenas knowing it would be an outlier. If he doesn't know the theme split and was from early on saying his character was a group, why would he claim that versus claiming Scar. While yes, the risk of being CC'd is a viable option, but I don't think it'd be proper modding to include 2 people from the same show as opposite factions
He wouldn’t have known that. At that point all you had claimed was Miller as Negan. He’d just be claiming something evil cause he had a character that was probably good. He went with something inconsequential because Scar could have a reasonable justification. Plus we’re assuming that he is a Lion King character.
To be clear, I'm still on Speed is scum. He's a vanilla and pushes no risk to lynching, but his role just throws me off.
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@Elminster
Negan is also the perfect villan. If anybody would be town in a antagonist is town game , negan def would be. He's prob the most ruthless, hated , loved villan of any show ever. It's like sephiroth in the game world
Definitely agree. He’s easily my favorite character
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@ILikePie5
I agree, but he was so quick to jump with the justification of hyena versus claiming Scar. If he was actually Mufasa, and there is a Scar on the town side, wouldn't that seem sorta bastard? Idk much so that's why I asked Mikal (no offense to you). I just don't see the point in so early on saying your claim is a group of people as scum knowing it'd be an outlier and you would probably get lynched
Will go in depth as to why should he the target from my perception
1) it's going to be hard to shake that slip in live mafia. I almost want to get him out just to rid myself of it. It's going to bother me the entire game because I will non stop read into it
2) His character and justification make no sense. It's a group of characters to start with which could be alright but the justification is so weak and it's basically a copy pasta from the pic I linked. All other characters in this game aren't just "bad" which is where I think he fucked the fake claim up. They are bad, but from their poe luna wrote a description to justify them as town because they see their actions as moral. Speeds it's just so far off from this. I feel even as a vanilla they would need a reason to be bad for good reasons. He doesn't have that.
3) science. If he flips scum. I'm going to death tunnel wf
4) even if all that is wrong and we happen to be off. We need to lynch dp1 and he's a vanilla do worst case we don't lose much and it's not putting pressure on someone that may claim a power role.
When you combine all that he's certainly the best target and I don't see anything happening to change course on that.
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@Vader
He could claim scar but not enough information. He would have no idea whether scar does or does not exist. He only claimed because of the slip in live so it was fast pressure and he hadn't seen all the other claims so he went with the super safe one. Thats my bet. He wasn't at risk of being lynched so he didn't have a reason to risk big and gamble with a big character. He was saying something so I would get off him and trying to deter the tunnel he knew I was going to inevitably put on him for the slip
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@Vader
You literally said that LOTR isn't even a show. Was your true intention trying to prove it's antagonists vs protag
I've said it's antag v protag since the beginning of time
The only reason I'm saying he's prob mufasa or simba is because as scum that's a random af thing to claim. He's prob a protagonist in lion kind and just Google bad guys and found the same wiki I did
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@ILikePie5
Oh he definitely is a main antagonist lol.
I was thinking of Gollum/Smeagol which is why I said LOTR, got confused and said Negal
A.) You claimed 3 separate individuals as one whole group
I claimed that before this fiasco
B.) Everyone’s PM so far states that their character is a villain but their actions were justified by Lunatic in a perverted way. Yours doesn’t fit that per your own admission - more on that later below
Not everyone has confirmed that, and I said this was true before the fiasco
C.) You said you knew the theme to be good vs bad but clearly you didn’t know the theme and you were harping on me about it. If it wasn’t what I said about perversion then where did the whole starving thing come from.
Huh? It's about bad v good period. Everyone is trying to make it overly complicated by saying he's justifying the actions
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@ILikePie5
I'm the hyenas, I'm vanilla because I'm weak and couldn't deal with a warthog and a meerkatHes backtracking so hard. He said earlier that they were starving lol.
NO
In my PM it specifically says we were banished for being different and we starved, but that is NOT MY ROLE JUSTIFICATION, MY ROLE JUSTIFICATION IS THAT I'M WEAK
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@Elminster
That's a fair point, but in the first post of the game to outright say that he is a group of people to me feels so odd. Why wouldn't he wait. And also if Speed is Mufasa, why would there be a Scar on the other side? I'd think that'd be sorta bastard for a game not themed off of a certain genre of shows. I also am not going to put it past Speed that he is big braining this play, so I still think lynching him is the best option this DP.
I'm basically asking do you think Lunatic would put 2 characters from the same movie/TV show on opposite sides
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@Elminster
He also doesn't know the theme split, so it would be hard to fake claim.
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@Elminster
He could claim scar but not enough information. He would have no idea whether scar does or does not exist. He only claimed because of the slip in live so it was fast pressure and he hadn't seen all the other claims so he went with the super safe one.
That's impossible. I said I was a group of people when the game started, so clearly I was trying to claim Hyenas the entire time. If I wanted the possibility to claim scar, I wouldn't have said I was a group of people
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@Vader
He also doesn't know the theme split, so it would be hard to fake claim.
Ah yes, even though literally everyone has been screaming that it's bad v good :|