Inverse Reality Day Phase 1

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You didn't support policy lynching him. I even questioned you in detail about that for that exact reason. I even waited the entire dp to give you a chance to do that 
I’ve literally including Supa in my lynch list. I’ve always said Miller’s should be policy lynched unless there are alternatives. Mister Chris is an alternative. My policy with regards to policy lynching is just that. 
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You do it as scum, too
He doesn't

I do but the last two times I was scum, secret codes were prohibited creating the appearance.  The last two times I was TP I created fake claims but I couldn't use them so I just let them sit unnoticed.
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I can't say what the solve is but there is a very easy way to get close to a solve if town thinks hard enough about their roles and how to use them. 

I really want pie and I'm also down for supa 

But pie trying to rush the lynch in Chris makes me want him more. Not even a thought about role madness or lunatic always putting roles that are considered "town " roles or "scum" roles as ways to fuck with us. He's did it on every live mafia game for weeks. 


We've had popular scum 
He's let scum fake claim doc and cop (no fc here though)
Town sided role blocker 
Town sided role cop 
Mafia stalker 

I do not put weird role confirmations past him and I think it would at least cross your mind. 


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Almost all of Lunatic’s games are role madness using Bullish’s definition lol. I never said I don’t think it’s rolemadness. 
role madness mostly precludes considerations of balance and odds, no?
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It's more than that. You initially have a lot of pressure on millers early on. And you didn't have him on your poe list. I was baiting you into your knowledge of negan and every time I brought it up you said. 

Yeah makes perfect sense as miller 
Or looks really good for supa 

You didn't even entertain it 

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No? Games can be role madness and balanced 
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Why are you spreading so much misinformation this game?
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But pie trying to rush the lynch in Chris makes me want him more. Not even a thought about role madness or lunatic always putting roles that are considered "town " roles or "scum" roles as ways to fuck with us. He's did it on every live mafia game for weeks. 
I thought it was you who said we should be lynching because it’s Town’s primary utility. Now you’re trying to derail this lynch and cause a no lynch. I don’t know if you know this my definition of Role Madness is that there are no vanillas. All of Lunatic’s games have had Vanillas.

We've had popular scum 
He's let scum fake claim doc and cop (no fc here though)
Town sided role blocker 
Town sided role cop 
Mafia stalker 

I do not put weird role confirmations past him and I think it would at least cross your mind. 
I don’t have a problem with that. The problem here is Chris’s role combined with Oro’s role. That’s the biggest problem I see. Chris’s justification isn’t even the fact that he’s an asshole. He’s literally giving gifts as Santa lol. That’s as positive as it can get. Not to mention Grinch is probably a protagonist as well.
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role madness mostly precludes considerations of balance and odds, no?
When I do my games I don’t preclude those considerations lol. I don’t put in roles that can cause LYLO after DP1 and NP1 and I put more roles than Lunatic does lol
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Mafiawiki:

Because the game hinges so much on players' Night choices and the number of possibilities to account for are so high, balancing a Role Madness game can only be rough at best. When reviewing a power-heavy game like this, the two things that must be checked for are broken combinations (i.e. if everyone claimed, could a group of players use their Night action to dominate the game? If not, could they do it after a certain player dies?) and whether any one faction can become grossly more powerful than the other(s).
The subversion of including a single Vanilla Townie in a Role Madness game has been done many times over, to the point where claiming to be a Vanilla Townie has been considered self-confirming (if not an outright Town-tell).
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Why are you spreading so much misinformation this game?
that's pie's job
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It's more than that. You initially have a lot of pressure on millers early on. And you didn't have him on your poe list. I was baiting you into your knowledge of negan and every time I brought it up you said. 

Yeah makes perfect sense as miller 
Or looks really good for supa 

You didn't even entertain it 
Bruh literally read the DP. Supa has been on my list literally the entire day. I’ve always said I’m willing to lynch between Warren, Oro, Chris, Polar, and Supa. 
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Why are people saying wf is cop both others are saying he's bomb?
It was a joke by Oro :|
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Vote Count:

MisterChris- 5/6-  iLikePie5, speedrace, whiteflame, supadudz, drafterman
Drafter-  1/6- Greyparrot
iLikePie5- 1 /6-  oromagi
Supadudz- 1/6- elminster

Not Voting:   Warren42, misterchris, coal


We should suspect two or three scum in Chris' pile
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What makes you confident GP is not a weak hider?
Because...he didn't claim that????????????

Besides that would essentially make two cops which is game breaking
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I have no problem lynching me now as I serve no utility to town in anyway and am neg utility, but if we do wanna policy lynch me, the earlier is ultimately the better
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Either you lynch me the next DP or you do so now, but I don't think we have enough to lynch me now
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Where y’all at
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We have literally like eight minutes left. Just lynch Chris
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I'm going to say it now. I have no problems lynching myself today or tomorrow out of policy, but when it comes into late game, it will be too late to do such a thing and I will not support a policy lynch in late game where we need to analyze what info we are given from the NP and behavior. 
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I've been posting literally all morning fuck you mean where am I
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Everytime I've looked back you agreed with me that negan was a great miller claim

You didn't mention the redirector part of his paraphrase at all. Bro literally has "he redirects people" word for word I'm his paraphrase 

I'm not derailing a lynch. I want to lynch someone that's not town 

You seemed to be zoned in on a theme that no one else saw. Literally everyone else saw good vs bad. You were the line person who kept trying to sell it as a 

"Pervert" theme - as magneto btw

Then go off on a theme split about movies and films. I really think you were trying to muddy the dp



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What makes you confident GP is not a weak hider?
Because...he didn't claim that????????????

Besides that would essentially make two cops which is game breaking
I just shared the clip where it say HIDER usually means weak hider.  I've seen hiders in games and been hider twice but I've never seen a non-weak hider
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Fuck it VTL Chris
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Y’all are both online. 
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votin drafta
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It's simple you either

a) think im telling the truth and want to keep me alive
b) think im telling the truth and want to policy lynch me
c) think im lying and want to lynch me

If you chose B, if you believe that lynching out of policy is beneficial, I will have no issue scum reading you
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I just shared the clip where it say HIDER usually means weak hider.  I've seen hiders in games and been hider twice but I've never seen a non-weak hider
That's literally false. Every time there's been a weak hider, it specifies WEAK hider. And I've personally included and seen non-weak hiders.
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If I die. Watch this Chris wagon. 

I am shocked if he flips scum from that. 


If he's town. 2 scum are on that wagon 



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TO CLARIFY 837 I MEAN LATE GAME POLICY LYNCHING