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(long pause while Pie consults the scum PM)
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I asked you first and I have the moral high ground- removing evidence that corresponds to town is a scum move for sho.

My first post of the game was POST#47
Having both a movie and a tv show is scummy. I already explained that it was scummy to have both their when a person claimed a tv show and a movie prior. I’m willing to lynch you because of my theory and have said as much. No other character has a prominent TV show and a movie.

The character claim was locked in here. Coal has figured out and has already said so.

TUF specifically mentions both the tv show and the movie. What advantage did you hope the gain by editing that corroboration out?
So you are Johnny Lawrence. Interesting to see that he was the central antagonist in Karate Kid but an anti-heroic PROTAGONIST in Cobra Kai. So which is it?

Unvote VTL Oro
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(long pause while Pie consults the scum PM)
You said something?
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Oro is literally a protagonist...
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(long pause while Pie consults the scum PM)
This aged well
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I asked you first and I have the moral high ground- removing evidence that corresponds to town is a scum move for sho.

My first post of the game was POST#47
Having both a movie and a tv show is scummy. I already explained that it was scummy to have both their when a person claimed a tv show and a movie prior. I’m willing to lynch you because of my theory and have said as much. No other character has a prominent TV show and a movie.
That's changing the subject again and that's not what you believed one hour ago when you edited out my Karate Kid claim in post#518.

 IF you thought that Film+TV was scummy then you would have said so and preserved my Film+TV claim. 

Instead, you claimed that TV only was scummy and modified my claim to TV only only to change your mind now (apparently as some kind of defense)

So, you still need to explain what you were thinking when you modified my claim.

The character claim was locked in here. Coal has figured out and has already said so.

TUF specifically mentions both the tv show and the movie. What advantage did you hope the gain by editing that corroboration out?
So you are Johnny Lawrence. Interesting to see that he was the central antagonist in Karate Kid but an anti-heroic PROTAGONIST in Cobra Kai. So which is it?

Apparently you haven't read any of my posts because I have already discussed the dual shades of grade nature of my character and noted that TUF invested some energy in writing my character's defense.

So, we have you

  • VTL'ing me without reading any of my posts,
  • modifying my claims to make me appear less town
  • Dodging my simple, direct question like Pee Wee Reese

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anti-heroic PROTAGONIST
what
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OH I learned something new. 

The antagonist is always a character who has opposing goals from the protagonist. Even if the antagonist is not a bad character in and of themselves, he or she will put up obstacles that the protagonist must overcome. The antagonist, in fact, may be a heroic character such as a police officer who opposes the actions of the protagonist. An antihero, on the other hand, is always the protagonist in the story. Even if the audience does not agree with her or her actions, the audience is supposed to understand the antihero’s motivations and sympathize with this character.
OK if this is the case, I'm a town antihero too. I'm a villain that had a point, but is a protagonist under this definition. Frankly I just thought that anybody who was "Evil" was automatically an antagonist. 
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That's changing the subject again and that's not what you believed one hour ago when you edited out my Karate Kid claim in post#518.
You edited out Cobra Kai in your own one lol. 

 IF you thought that Film+TV was scummy then you would have said so and preserved my Film+TV claim.  
It’s scummy either way lol. The fact you could be a TV show in itself puts you in the pile. You can get exonerated. Just say whether it’s the TV show or the Movie thats in your PM.

Instead, you claimed that TV only was scummy and modified my claim to TV only only to change your mind now (apparently as some kind of defense)
I never said this lol. You were piping me about how I didn’t include Karate Kid in mine, but then you in your own list don’t put Cobra Kai. That’s hypocrisy lol.

So, you still need to explain what you were thinking when you modified my claim.
I already did. The fact you have connections to a TV show puts you in that category.

Apparently you haven't read any of my posts because I have already discussed the dual shades of grade nature of my character and noted that TUF invested some energy in writing my character's defense.

So, we have you

VTL'ing me without reading any of my posts,
modifying my claims to make me appear less town
Dodging my simple, direct question like Pee Wee Reese
It literally says in the Wiki that your character is an antagonist in Karate Kid but a protagonist in Cobra Kai. The fact that your character is “grey” has does not exonerate you from the fact that you’re a protagonist in Cobra Kai.
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OK if this is the case, I'm a town antihero too. I'm a villain that had a point, but is a protagonist under this definition. Frankly I just thought that anybody who was "Evil" was automatically an antagonist. 
You clearly haven’t been paying attention in English class  😂😂.

Who’s your character.
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MisterChris- 2/6- Coal, drafterman
iLikePie5- 2 /6- Speedrace, oromagi
Elminster- 1 /6- Whiteflame
Drafter- 1 /6- Greyparrot
Oromagi- 1/6-  iLikePie5

Not Voting:   Warren42, elminster, supadudz, misterchris


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I’m willing to lynch Chris or Oro because they both claim they’re protagonists.
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I'm the Grinch from How the Grinch Stole Christmas. My character sneaks into the Who's homes to steal from them, yet my hatred for the Whos is warranted because they treated me with contempt for being different. I also have a point when I say their Christmas is just being about material things. 


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I've been advocating this notion.

For example, TWD wiki calls Neagan an anti-hero

He served as the primary antagonist of the second half of Season 6, and the whole of Season 7 and Season 8, but has also been present as a recurring antagonist, bordering on anti-hero, since Season 9.

Magneto

Erik Lensherr / Magneto, appears as a protagonist in the future (2023), but in the past (1973), he is the anti-hero turned central antagonist.

Johnny Lawrence

Johnny Lawrence is a recurring character of The Karate Kid series. He initially serves as the central antagonist of the 1984 film The Karate Kid, but later appears as the main anti-heroic protagonist of the YouTube Red TV Series Cobra Kai.

gollum

He is a supporting antagonist in The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey and in The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, before enlarging his role as an anti-hero in The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, and as the secondary antagonist of The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King.

  • The hyenas are never mentioned as anti-heros.
  • The wicked witch in not an anti-hero in Baum/Movie but the archetypal anti-hero in Wicked book & musical
In Game of Thrones, Tyrion and Jaime are anti-heroes.
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yeah a lot of these characters are flexible and changing. I feel like the best way to summarize the theme split is:

"Bad" people who actually had a point are town, & "good" people who actually had some screwed morals are scum.


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but that's not inverted.  Inverse reality would be scum=protagonists, no?

So you’re scum right? Or did you change your theory already?
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yeah a lot of these characters are flexible and changing. I feel like the best way to summarize the theme split is:

"Bad" people who actually had a point are town, & "good" people who actually had some screwed morals are scum.
 
How does hyenas fit into either?

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I'm the Grinch from How the Grinch Stole Christmas. My character sneaks into the Who's homes to steal from them, yet my hatred for the Whos is warranted because they treated me with contempt for being different. I also have a point when I say their Christmas is just being about material things. 
Says in the Wiki that you’re an antagonist as well. Help me pressure Oro.
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Added 01.30.21 09:27PM
but that's not inverted.  Inverse reality would be scum=protagonists, no?

So you’re scum right? Or did you change your theory already?
Readers will note that Pie still hasn't answered the direct question that made him freak out and start accusing me.

Why did Pie change me from Film+TV to TV only when making a case for Film vs TV?
Why did Pie freak out instead of simply acknowledging the error?
What does Pie think of his Film vs. TV theory now that The Grinch is on the table.
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How does hyenas fit into either?

By "point" I guess I mean any way to justify their actions. WF talked about how they were "victim of circumstance" for example.  I don't think it's likely that Speed is scum anymore, so it looks like we may need to be less rigid on the split. 
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Says in the Wiki that you’re an antagonist as well. Help me pressure Oro.

Well now I'm quite confused. Especially since I think there have been multiple Grinch movies under the name "How the Grinch Stole Christmas."
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I’m willing to lynch Chris or Oro because they both claim they’re protagonists.

Chris, yes.

Oro, no.  Johnny Lawrence is the antagonist in Karate Kid, not the protagonist.  I have seen every one of those movies and Cobra Kai.  


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Readers will note that Pie still hasn't answered the direct question that made him freak out and start accusing me.
I did, you can go and read if you want.

Why did Pie change me from Film+TV to TV only when making a case for Film vs TV?
Cause you’re still from the TV show.

Why did Pie freak out instead of simply acknowledging the error?
I didn’t freak out. You still haven’t answered my questions while claiming I haven’t answered yours when I have. Does your PM talk about Johnny Lawrence as a protagonist or an antagonist?

What does Pie think of his Film vs. TV theory now that The Grinch is on the table.
Still stands. Grinch is an antagonist per your own Wiki lol
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I don't remember How The Grinch Stole Christmas.  

I don't think the Grinch is a protagonist. 

I also am not sure I buy that claim.  

I mistyped earlier.
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Well it's getting late. I'm heading to bed. Will check this again in the morning
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Chris, yes.

Oro, no.  Johnny Lawrence is the antagonist in Karate Kid, not the protagonist.  I have seen every one of those movies and Cobra Kai.  
Correct he is the antagonist in Karate Kid but not in Cobra Kai (he’s the protagonist in that one). Oro has yet to clarify which Johnny is featured in his PM.
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I don't remember How The Grinch Stole Christmas.  

I don't think the Grinch is a protagonist. 

I also am not sure I buy that claim.  

I mistyped earlier.
I've only seen the TV show.

The grinch is a villain who has a change of heart- a la Christmas Carol.  He is the protagonist in the literary sense because he makes all the key decisions and suffers the consequences (which is that his heart triples in size).  A
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Correct he is the antagonist in Karate Kid but not in Cobra Kai (he’s the protagonist in that one). Oro has yet to clarify which Johnny is featured in his PM.
Another false accusation.  The first thing I typed in this game was that I am both Karate Kid/Cobra Kai- which you have just agreed makes me both, which you have failed to note I've been saying all along.

Why do you keep making shit up about me?  Why won't you answer the question that started this?

Why did you edit out my claim to be both FIlm and TV?  What were you thinking?  What advantage did you hope to gain?