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@whiteflame
That's not even the main antagonist in police academy what
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@Vader
And, for the record, I’ve argued several times in previous games that we should absolutely limit claims in DP1 whenever possible. That is not unusual for me, and I’ve refused to claim as town in DP1 before. Circumstances like this is why I’ve done that.
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@Elminster
You are sephiroth. Damn that cloud and avalanche for trying to stop your goals. You've always had the best intent. Sure you want to destroy the world but it's to bring about paradise and ressurect jenova. No one understands you but all you really want is to bring about world unity. You are deathrpoof because you are connected to the life force and can't truly die.----Everyone so far has you are (bad guy). He flips why they are bad and explains how they are morally justified with the actions they did in their universe. You are town
Are you claiming this?
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@Elminster
Neither are the fucking hyenas. Why do you think I was defending Speed?!
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@coal
No it was the framing of how he sent pms. That an example of how I would imagine they function
I don't know WF's MO but the claim of town harm seems at least as legitimately possible as a SCUM coverup. I can think of a hundred likely scenarios- he says "Silence of the Lambs" and we go "oh, Hannibal Lecter....oh, WF's a doctor....oh, look he's dead" he says "Bad Lieutenent" we go "oh, he's a cop...oh, look he's dead" etc.
I know people are saying no more claims but I wouldn't mind locking in more universes generally if it doesn't give the role away because that might take away some options from scum in upcoming rounds.
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@ILikePie5
If Speed flips town I think I know who one of his partners probably is.
Wanna try that again?
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@oromagi
It's prob role cop bro lol
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@coal
Wanna try that again?
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@oromagi
Don’t know what scum would fake claim Cop without a fake claim available to them, but that’s way more ballsy than I’ve ever been before.
For the record this is why I wasn't on board with pressuring WF. but also it's not the end of the freaking world we should expect the game is balanced.
and while I agree that Harris isn't the main villain for the universe as a whole, he's certainly the primary antagonist of the first movie.
Unvote. I’LL be active later but I need to get lunch and I’m typing this on my phone in my car. I think Whiteflame is a better lynch imo
Added 01.30.21 01:28PM
I don't know WF's MO but the claim of town harm seems at least as legitimately possible as a SCUM coverup. I can think of a hundred likely scenarios- he says "Silence of the Lambs" and we go "oh, Hannibal Lecter....oh, WF's a doctor....oh, look he's dead" he says "Bad Lieutenent" we go "oh, he's a cop...oh, look he's dead" etc.I know people are saying no more claims but I wouldn't mind locking in more universes generally if it doesn't give the role away because that might take away some options from scum in upcoming rounds.
this has aged well
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@Vader
I think Whiteflame is a better lynch imo
...the fuck?
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@Elminster
It's prob role cop bro lol
I’m not going to lynch an UnCCed Cop. Let’s move on to Speed
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@Lunatic
VTL Speed
Nvm. VTL Speed
I’m the Miller, meaning there is probably a cop. If there’s no CC of that claim, that means he’s telling the truth. If there’s a healing role use it on Whiteflame tonight
Vote Count:
Speedrace- 4 /6- drafter, misterchris, iLikePie5, supadudz
iLikePie5- 2 /6- Speedrace, oromagi
Whiteflame- 1/6- Elminster
Elminster- 1 /6- Whiteflame
Drafter- 1 /6- Greyparrot
Not Voting: Coal, Warren42
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@ILikePie5
Probably will.
Thinking really hard about this first and giving someone time to cc
It's such an odd claim and character to have that.
Would be pushing a lot harder on this if luna didn't say he gave 0 fake claims.
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@Elminster
Plus I’m miller so there probably is a cop in this game so unless he’s CC’d there’s no way he’s lying imo
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@Vader
Yeah unless there is a mason or a cc. It's prob locked.
The claim needed to be pushed anyway just because him refusing to claim would have ended in a mislynch.
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The claim needed to be pushed anyway just because him refusing to claim would have ended in a mislynch.
Unvote
Well, I anticipate being entirely useless now, so I think I’ll just let whatever is going to play out go ahead. If Elm can’t get off the “lynch WF” train after that claim, then nothing would have convinced him, and I think that speaks to my own suspicions of him.
Just note, guys, that he clearly wanted more claims. Pie might have just jumped on the bandwagon, but Elm led it. If Speed gets lynched and he flips town, Elm should be next.
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@whiteflame
In a world where you are getting pressured. You always claim. This happens in mafia. It's a casualty of dp1. Typically you always lynch unless numbers say no and you pressure the stuff that sticks out. You refusing to say anything sticks out. Sucks that's the universe but needed to happen.
There are benefits to having you claim as well. As drafter said. Game is probably balanced. This happens every other game on mafia scum because you have to pressure someone and if you go on the wrong person , then you work around it.
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@Elminster
Dude, considering how many warnings and assurances I gave, and considering that we already had several partial claims, I don’t see the need in pursuing this as hard as you did. You made the call. You own it.
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@whiteflame
I absolutely own it and still don't think it's bad. Vague warnings about not claiming are not enough to back off pressure. Plus it gives reads and ties together a lot of stuff.
For example.
If there is no cc, that basically locks you. Which also very likely locks the miller.
So we have a town pile. Ill leave it to you to figure out the other utility. But having you out is not the worse thing. Because refusing to claim made it look bad for you. It's understandable why but if someone has pressure and they refuse the claim, the end result is lynch them. We now have stuff to work off of
Player - [Character] / [Role] (link to post)
- oromagi - [Presumably Jonny] ("My show is Karate Kid/Cobra Kai") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241261)
- elminster
- mistercrhis
- supadudz - Neagan / Miller (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241170)
- greyparrot - Smeagol / Hider (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241213)
- drafterman - ("I'm from a movie. If I say the movie it'll be obvious who I am. But I am a "villain") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241242)
- coal
- speedrace - Hyenas from Lion King / Vanilla (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241532) (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241730)
- whiteflame - ("I’m from Police Academy. Fill in the blanks. Thanks for helping scum, guys!") / [obvs] - (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241896)
- warren42 - ("My character is from Game of Thrones") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592-inverse-reality-day-phase-1?page=2)
- ilikepie5 - Magneto / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241345)
RE: Mikal's post @202 (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241652)
Calling this nowYou are simba , took the kingdom away from scar and blah blah. What an asshole.
A curious way to sum-read Speed.
RE: Drafter's post @224 (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241703)
Speed's claim doesn't fit with the "bad guys where were right/justification" theme, but then again we don't know that's the actual theme, it's just what we've deduced with the available information.
I agree, if that's the theme --- and it very well may be. My character is consistent with that being the theme. The problem is that Grayparrot's Smeagol claim breaks that theory, unless Smeagol was a fake, but the circumstances of how Parrot made that claim do not suggest to me that he was fake claiming.
RE: Supa's post @267 (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241766)
And also if Speed is Mufasa, why would there be a Scar on the other side?
This is an insightful question, and one I have been wondering about myself. If scum have characters that overlap fictional universes with town, then scum fake claims would be too obvious.
That said, so far, everyone has unique fictional universes. I'm not seeing other Lion King characters on the list, unless I missed them.
Further, speed's claim does stand out because, at least as far as I can tell, he is the only claim for multiple living things (multiple hyenas) as opposed to singular characters. But if this claim was fake, it stands to reason that speed would have recognized that issue and gone with a singular character from another universe. Scar is the obvious choice for a town-sided role within the Lion King universe.
So, if Scar is in the game, I am comfortable lynching Speed.
But until Scar claims, Speed is not my preferred lynch. IF anyone has Scar as their character, they should claim now. Or anyone else who has a character from the Lion King universe. Claim now.
I don't think anything further needs to be said about Speed. I'm also getting tired of reading Mikal say the same thing over and over.
Collaterally, I wonder if Tony Soprano is in the game. Or the Joker. Or Walter White. Or Frank Underwood.
There is a part of me that thinks Mikal is the Mandalorian, even though he has said nothing to this effect.
Until such time as I see any other Lion King characters being claimed, I'm interested in hearing more from MisterChris, including in particular his claim.
In my experience on DP1, scum tend to hide behind noise that townies with strong personalities (e.g., Mikal) create.
I would also like to know whether Sauron is in the game. If so, that person should claim.
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@Elminster
Are you the Mandalorian?
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@coal
No
Don't mind giving my universe if we need it as it's implies nothing tbh
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@whiteflame
Well, I anticipate being entirely useless now, so I think I’ll just let whatever is going to play out go ahead. If Elm can’t get off the “lynch WF” train after that claim, then nothing would have convinced him, and I think that speaks to my own suspicions of him.Just note, guys, that he clearly wanted more claims. Pie might have just jumped on the bandwagon, but Elm led it. If Speed gets lynched and he flips town, Elm should be next.
There is a non-trivial possibility you would have been flavored or otherwise unreliable. TUF has this thing where he doesn't think the cop's result should be automatically trusted, so he does things like that.
That being said, the way you handled your claim is curious; though no one else is stepping forward and claiming cop, so as far as I'm concerned you're un-CC'd.
I would have probably just said "one of the Eddie Murphy movies" or something like that to keep the door open, but give Mikal enough so he stops foaming at the mouth.
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@Elminster
I assume the mandalorian is in this game.
What is your universe?