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@Elminster
one of you or me are dead tonight, but at least we got one down lol gz
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@Lunatic
Why wait until the End Game? If I die this phase and flip town, the game is fucked from the get-go. This waiting until the end game is bullshit and Town should be immediately compensated.
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@drafterman
Why wait until the End Game? If I die this phase and flip town, the game is fucked from the get-go. This waiting until the end game is bullshit and Town should be immediately compensated.
I'll give him sh1t for it instantly. 
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@Lunatic
I'm waiting on a message from pie to see if he says the same. But I'm like 100 locked on you so I know it will be the same answer 
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@Lunatic
Tell you what, I'll join your wagon on me if you promise to vig Mikal tonight and lynch him tomorrow if he isn't successfully vigged.
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@Elminster
I'm waiting on a message from pie to see if he says the same. But I'm like 100 locked on you so I know it will be the same answer 
Okay :)
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@Lunatic
You should probably say you aren't going to vig me at this point so when you don't , there isn't a mislynch on you (if you aren't the kill)
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@drafterman
Tell you what, I'll join your wagon on me if you promise to vig Mikal tonight and lynch him tomorrow if he isn't successfully vigged.
Why would I kill mikal tonight if I town read him? I was willing to do so before because I town read you based on your role, and mikal wanted out anyway. But if he is going to play legit there's no reason to kill him. Also I doubt I'll need your own vote to get this lynch off based on the conflicting and easily verifiable information available to us now.
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OK.... 

Lunatic's pivot on his claim rubbed me the wrong way initially, but as I think about it I have to agree that there is ultimately little utility in him complicating his role as scum. As far as I know (I could be wrong), mods don't have to tell you if your role is weak or some other variant, so that checks out... I'm not 100% sold on Lunatic but I'm leaning town.

As for Drafterman... Drafterman is mostly playing to his town meta with tunneling Mikal & now Lunatic... But that doesn't mean a whole lot.  Regarding Lunatic's theory that Drafterman is pivoting because he isn't actually a strengthener and is scum... If he were scum,  his "strengthen" role could simply be getting his scum buddies to not hit his "target" with a roleblock or visit them at all in Lunatic's case... If he were scum he'd go along with Lunatic's plan to "confirm" himself, so I don't see this as an admission to being scum. Really, I think Drafterman is being a stubborn ass townie as usual. When it became clear Lunatic's plan was a gamble, he got frustrated and wanted to lynch instead. 


Regarding whether to lynch/vig elminster.... He's looking town to me & contributing. I haven't seen him whine about quitting since the beginning of the game. I see no reason to push for his lynch/night kill any further. I think our efforts are better spent questioning some of the quieter parties. 



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@Elminster
You should probably say you aren't going to vig me at this point so when you don't , there isn't a mislynch on you (if you aren't the kill)
I am forfeiting tonight. 
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@MisterChris
Bro drafter literally scum slipped 
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@Lunatic
Fair 
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@MisterChris
Drafter scum slipped, read the last two pages
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@MisterChris
Also go be clear I was not whining about quitting. I was going to ask for a replacement because there is virtually no point in putting in effort when drafter already has some illogical position that he's going to vote me and never remove his vote in every game ever 

Granted now it's much more fun for me just to join every game he plays in until he stops playing mafia 

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@Elminster
Sorry, I refreshed my page and a whole lot got added lmao.

Yeah I'm gonna VTL Drafterman

If Pie lied then we'll just give him hell. 
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@Elminster
Granted now it's much more fun for me just to join every game he plays in until he stops playing mafia 
You're an asshole and I don't understand why anyone would defend you or be your friend. You legit ruin other people's games for your own amusement.

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Drafterman (4/6) -  Greyparrot, Elm, Lunatic, Chris
Whiteflame (1/6) - Speed
Elminster (1/6) - Drafter

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Before we lynch him.

Everyone ask pie this 

"Do you only tell people about how their roles work, and would us about how other roles work"

If we all get the same answer, it's a lock 
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@drafterman
Ill stoop to your level in a blink. I have no reason not to 

I came in with the intention to play ball and you literally said you would never unvote me in any game ever.  So I'll call your bluff. Any game you play in, I'll be there until I break you

If your willing to teach me a lesson, I'll return the favor 
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@Elminster
"I have acted like a baby in several games and if anyone disciplines me I will double down on acting like a baby."
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Since everyone wants to take Mikal's side in this and the mod has fucked me with his dishonest answers I have asked to be replaced. Since Mikal has stated his intention to ruin my fun here, I will be taking a hiatus from mafia.
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Also just asked pie 

Do you only tell people how their roles work and not others 

His response 

If a Cop asked how a doctor works, I wouldn’t. If a Cop asks if they can investigate a doctor, I’d say yes

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Before anyone hammers, I'm waiting on Pie to answer the question for independent confirmation. 
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You realize this is the pot and kettle right. 
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@Lunatic
Read over that response and compare it. Dealing with work atm



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@Lunatic
I actually think that locks him as scum 
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Unvote

I need pie to clarify something to me real quick


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I received a copy/paste response of what Elminster says from Pie.

"If a Cop asked how a doctor works, I wouldn’t. If a Cop asks if they can investigate a doctor, I’d say yes"

Drafter said:

"Interesting because he's been answering my questions about how my role interacts with others."

Pie has explicitly stated that you can ask about how your role interacts with others.

UNVOTE. 


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Drafterman (2/6) -  Greyparrot, Elm
Whiteflame (1/6) - Speed
Elminster (1/6) - Drafter

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I think the dynamic of what drafter was saying is different. 

With customers at work but want to read it in detail. Because if a cop can I investigate a doctor is a different dynamic.