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Any and all decisions based on spending money or investing it.
Do you invest money in order to have MORE money at some point in the future?

Why?

Why would you want MORE money at some point in the future?

Are you anticipating that you might be SAD at some point?

Planning for the future is driven 100% by e-motion.
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🤔 ...Not sure I asked that, but anyway let me put you on to speed. Last question I asked you was “what's so special about human involvement that dictates whether of not something is fact?”
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Tools, toys and paying bills . That's why I work. Planning for the future isn't about emotion its about not being a worthless POS burden on society.


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Planning for the future isn't about emotion its about not being a worthless POS burden on society.
Would "being a worthless [penniless] POS burden on society" make you FEEL BAD????

EVERYTHING YOU DO IS CAUSED BY E-MOTION.
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“what's so special about human involvement that dictates whether of not something is fact?”
Only humans can make FACTUAL CLAIMS.

Only humans can verify FACTUAL CLAIMS.
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Only humans can make FACTUAL CLAIMS.
That doesn’t matter, you see? It’s my lack of emotion in that respect as to why my position is objective.


Only humans can verify FACTUAL CLAIMS.
Maybe but how do you know those claims weren’t factual before they were verified?

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Maybe but how do you know those claims weren’t factual before they were verified?
FACTUAL = VERIFIED
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Only humans can make FACTUAL CLAIMS.
That doesn’t matter, you see? It’s my lack of emotion in that respect as to why my position is objective.
It doesn't make any sense to try and talk about a FACTUAL CLAIM that is "independent" of human thought.
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FACTUAL = VERIFIED
Yes but it doesn’t = VERIFIED BY HUMANS, which is what you are claiming and the definition you cited doesn’t imply that, not in the slightest.

It doesn't make any sense to try and talk about a FACTUAL CLAIM that is "independent" of human thought.
That’s not the case here, because I understand that whether or not something is claimed has no bearing on facts, they exist on their own, claiming otherwise calls for support that you’ve yet to provide.

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FACTUAL = VERIFIED
Yes but it doesn’t = VERIFIED BY HUMANS
How do you verify a factual claim?
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You are just engaging in circular logic. You think any action requires and emotional motive. Maybe for you it is true. Also I have been a worthless POS burden on society, some of the funniest days in my life. No schedules, no responsibilities, just fuck off and party all the time. 

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whether or not something is claimed has no bearing on facts, they exist on their own,
How do you support this claim?
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You think any action requires and emotional motive.
Because it does.

If you didn't want anything, you'd never move.

If you never moved, you would die.
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How do you support this claim?
The BOP is on you since your the one that’s adding external factors into the equation.

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How do you support this claim?
The BOP is on you since your the one that’s adding external factors into the equation.
What are you talking about?

Please explain exactly what you think my claim is.
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The claim that facts don’t exist without humans, that’s self refuting because your claiming that statement under the assumption that it’s true but what is truth? Truth is fact therefore your position proves itself wrong on its own.
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The claim that facts don’t exist without humans,
FACTS are technically "accurate descriptions of REALITY".

You can't DESCRIBE anything without humans.

THE MAP IS NOT THE TERRITORY.

a factual statement is not the exact same thing as what that statement describes.
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FACTS are technically "accurate descriptions of REALITY".
No it’s just that reality, a description isn’t necessary.

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No it’s just that reality, a description isn’t necessary.
Sure.  Maybe.  Perhaps.

But if a description isn't necessary, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU TALK ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW, WITH WORDS.
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But if a description isn't necessary, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU TALK ABOUT IT.
Talking about facts isn’t necessary either.

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But if a description isn't necessary, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU TALK ABOUT IT.
Talking about facts isn’t necessary either.
Ok.

So, are you suggesting we shouldn't talk about facts?
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No I’m saying talking about it has no bearing on objectivity.
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No I’m saying talking about it has no bearing on objectivity.
What does "objectivity" have to do with anything?
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Objectivity has to do with facts, because all facts are objective.
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Objectivity has to do with facts, because all facts are objective.
What is your personally preferred definition of "objective"?
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You’ve asked me this before but I’ll reiterate “I don’t mind Google’s (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.”
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considering and representing facts
How can a non-human "consider" and "represent" "facts"?

How can a human "consider" and "represent" "facts" without being "influenced by personal feelings or opinions"?

Why would you consider one "fact" and not some other "fact"?

Are you suggesting your attention itself (and sample-bias) is not "influenced by personal feelings or opinions"?

Why do you find certain things "interesting"?

Why do you find certain things "not-interesting"?
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How can a non-human "consider" and "represent" "facts"?
They can’t, I forgot to highlight the broader definition which is “not dependent on the mind for existence; actual.”

How can a human "consider" and "represent" "facts" without being "influenced by personal feelings or opinions"?
What personal feeling or opinion are you influenced by when you consider and represent the shape of the earth? Because I don’t believe their is one.

Why would you consider one "fact" and not some other "fact"?
The same reason you don’t believe everything you hear is fact.

Are you suggesting your attention itself (and sample-bias) is not "influenced by personal feelings or opinions"?
No, depending on the matter I too have personal feelings and opinions.

Why do you find certain things "interesting"?
“certain things” can mean anything what specifically are you referring to?


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How can a non-human "consider" and "represent" "facts"?
They can’t, I forgot to highlight the broader definition which is “not dependent on the mind for existence; actual.”
It is impossible to describe (and therefore impossible to make any statements or claims about) some "thing" that "is not dependent on the mind for existence; actual".

For example,

Before anyone can declare that some "thing" "exists", it must be verifiable and verification requires a mind.
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What personal feeling or opinion are you influenced by when you consider and represent the shape of the earth? Because I don’t believe their is one.
Why do you care what shape the earth is?