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@Tarik
I don’t consider anything a perfect fact.

No, I’m suggesting that by definition objective things don’t require a mind for its existence and facts are objective. I don’t know why you’re disputing this by definition I’m correct

I don’t consider anything a perfect fact.
Please provide an example of something you believe is objective.
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Please provide an example of something you believe is objective.
Morality
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Please provide an example of something you believe is objective.
Morality
Please teach me how to quantify morality.
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I don’t know if I can, but that shouldn’t be necessary unless your a nihilist.
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An infant will have acquired the data and ability to do what it can do, relative to it's age.

They will understand the concepts of fact and opinion....A. When they are able to do so.....B. When they have acquired and understood the relevant data.


You're currently, edging your bets with infants, but your last statement only goes to emphasise my point....That facts relating to external stuff,  have to be formulated and established internally
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Ah I'll admit I mispoke there, my syllogism proper, refers that, "All principles used to affirm morality are from the mind" So that refers to princples in a context not talking about scientific principles, but of things asserted to be true because of a mind, for example: Justice - if this was a principle used in a moral system, you are talking about a construct, justice doesn't exist unless their is some sort of agents to want it, and it only exists because of constructs, that's more what I was referring to their, its a specific sort of principle, the ones used to affirm morality, that I'm talking about, and I use this definition:

Now, it could be asserted that, based on a definition of principle: "A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behaviour or for a chain of reasoning." that I'm wrong, but the "fundamental truth" part could be in reference to, say, evolution as much as it could be to morality, hence why i specified, used to affirm morality, because that would be talking about the "or proposition"... unless you were to prove that your principle used to affirm morality was the first type of principle, then you'd be right, unless of course that principle doesn't link up to morality without an arbitary link.

Then it would be subjective.

Do you remember saying this?
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I don’t know if I can, but that shouldn’t be necessary unless your a nihilist.
What's the point of claiming, "morality is objective" if you can't explain it to anyone?

Isn't that exactly the same as saying, "follow your conscience"??
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How’s this a lifestyle that leads to eternal happiness. I’m curious to know about Taoism don’t they follow their own code of conduct, also who’s the originator of that religion?
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I’m curious to know about Taoism
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This seems more like an excerpt rather than an explanation.
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This seems more like an excerpt rather than an explanation.
The Tao Te Ching is the core of Taoism.

There is no "ten commandments" of Taoism.

And there is no (proper) "summary".

It only takes about an hour to read (or listen to) the whole thing.

There is no teacher.

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Okay, so what do you think of my explanation?
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Okay, so what do you think of my explanation?
Please be slightly more specific.
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You don’t understand happiness?
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You don’t understand happiness?
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Then what do I need to elaborate on?
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Then what do I need to elaborate on?
Please restate (paraphrase or link directly to) your question and or "explaination".
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a lifestyle that leads to eternal happiness. 
My explanation of objective morality that you asked for.
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a lifestyle that leads to eternal happiness. 
My explanation of objective morality that you asked for.
Does this mean that if you're sad you're evil?
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No it means you will be sad if you don’t live the correct lifestyle.
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No it means you will be sad if you don’t live the correct lifestyle.
Only immoral people are sad?
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What’s the point of asking me the same question twice?
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@Tarik
What’s the point of asking me the same question twice?
I don't understand your "answer".

It sounds like you're suggesting people should choose to live "the correct lifestyle" (presumably "objective morality") in order to attain "eternal happiness" (maybe after they die?)

I just want to know (in practical-real-world-terms) what "the correct lifestyle" entails.
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Unfortunately in this game of life the ultimate answer is unknown to me, I just know the basics. Take the Ten Commandments for example.
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Unfortunately in this game of life the ultimate answer is unknown to me, I just know the basics. Take the Ten Commandments for example.
What is your personal opinion regarding the "objective morality" of copyright law?
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A moral claim cannot be false.

In the same way a statement of opinion cannot be false.

A moral claim cannot be true.

In the same way a statement of opinion cannot be true.
Then what is morality? If you can’t be right or wrong?

What is your personal opinion regarding the "objective morality" of copyright law?
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure the good book mentions something along the lines of obeying the law of the land so that’s your answer.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure the good book mentions something along the lines of obeying the law of the land so that’s your answer.
Ok, that make sense. 

ALL LAWS ARE MORAL.

LEGAL = MORAL
MORAL = LEGAL
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@Tarik
A moral claim cannot be false.

In the same way a statement of opinion cannot be false.

A moral claim cannot be true.

In the same way a statement of opinion cannot be true.
Then what is morality? If you can’t be right or wrong?
MORALITY IS A FEELING.

IT'S A FEELING YOU GET.

IT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD WHEN YOU DO GOOD THINGS.

IT MAKES YOU FEEL BAD WHEN YOU DO BAD THINGS.

IT ALSO MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE DOING THINGS YOU THINK ARE GOOD.

IT ALSO MAKES YOU FEEL BAD WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE DOING THINGS YOU THINK ARE BAD.

IT'S SIMPLY A MANIFESTATION OF OUR SOCIAL SURVIVAL INSTINCTS.
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ALL LAWS ARE MORAL.
Not necessarily, but breaking the law is immoral.

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@Tarik
ALL LAWS ARE MORAL.
Not necessarily, but breaking the law is immoral.
Would you say, "breaking an immoral law is moral"?